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IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
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https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/


That's a Turbo S vs. a P100D. Short version, results as you'd expect. If you want a car primarily for long distance touring/hauling lots of people or stuff, it's the S. If you want a car for driving really fast on a twisting road, it's the Taycan. Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much. Also, the Taycan's supposed to have a top speed of 259 km/h, but hit and held (per the speedo) 268. And I'll say it again, I love that green!
 
GRA said:
If you want a car primarily for long distance touring/hauling lots of people or stuff, it's the S. If you want a car for driving really fast on a twisting road, it's the Taycan.
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That sums it up nicely.
 
SageBrush said:
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
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Expect and warrantied are two different things.

Compare them apples and grapes.
 
WetEV said:
SageBrush said:
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
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Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
 
SageBrush said:
WetEV said:
SageBrush said:
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
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Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
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If true, then half of all Nissan batteries are replaced under warranty.

Got any evidence for that?
 
WetEV said:
SageBrush said:
WetEV said:
Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
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If true, then half of all Nissan batteries are replaced under warranty.
Got any evidence for that?
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Your conclusion does not follow, and all the data and evidence in the world will be ignored by you and your personal anecdote will be trotted out instead.

For the rational reading this (not WetEV), consider that Nissan views 30% degradation as end of life (although not worthy of warranty replacement) and the warranty is 8 years. 30/8 = 3.7% degradation a year on average. Sound familiar ?
 
GRA said:
IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
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https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/
Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much.
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Lots of stories the last two days about how it looks like TopGear fudged the results, using prior results from 2017 for the Model S and not the current production numbers with the Raven update.

Someone noticed the interior shot of the Model S from TopGear's video at 1:07 shows the S was in Range Mode and that Ludicrous was turned off.
https://www.teslarati.com/top-gear-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan-drag-race-defense
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^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
 
SageBrush said:
^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
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Well, I consider the pre-production, kludged Model S they are playing with silly "entertainment" equally on par with the hijinks TopGear did.
 
jlv said:
GRA said:
IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
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https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/
Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much.
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Lots of stories the last two days about how it looks like TopGear fudged the results, using prior results from 2017 for the Model S and not the current production numbers with the Raven update.
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I've seen those stories. See the bolded section of my previous post. Nobody's buying a Porsche for drag racing, and a tenth or two 0-60 either way between the Model S and Taycan falls into the 'who cares?' category.

EDIT: IEVS has a story which includes a response from the people at Top Gear, wherein they say
In a post published yesterday on the website portion of the Top Gear franchise, the editors admitted that they used fake numbers in their article. If you suspected the reason behind that was some simple bumbling or loss of the fresh figures, you'd be wrong. They claim they went with the fake digits – they were originally generated during an older comparison of the Tesla Model S versus the Mercedes C63 – because they were actually better than the best results produced in this latest test. Yes, it's a head-scratcher.

Besides offering this nonsensical explanation, the site also defended its testing procedure, saying, "...we ran the drag race five times and the Porsche won every time by a small but increasing margin with each subsequent race." It also added that, "... the Tesla was in Ludicrous+ mode, the battery was pre-conditioned and both cars had around 85 per cent charge before the first run."

The problem with this explanation is that it doesn't add up if you pay attention to the video. While we can't speak to the quarter-mile result, it certainly doesn't appear as though the Taycan records a better 0-to-60 time in the first few seconds of the race. Check out the footage beginning at the 55-second mark. Clearly, the Model S stays pulls ahead and stays there for at least the initial four seconds, presumably reaching 60 miles per hour quicker. Also, as you can see in the image at the top of this post, the Model S is clearly ahead of the Taycan above 83 mph.

Of course, it could be that this bit of interior footage was just recorded for dramatic effect and delivery of the (lame) neck-brace joke and wasn't part of the recorded results, but there is no way to know.
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It's not unusual for different examples of the same car to vary significantly in testing, not to mention the same car giving different results depending on who's testing it, so this explanation can't be dismissed out of hand. OTOH, the article goes on to note that a screen grab during the race appears to show the S in Range rather than launch mode. For people who can't get enough of watching Model S vs. whatever drag race videos on IEVS, I'm sure that someone will do another test.
 
^^^ And here we go, via IEVS (just the S):
Top Gear Tesla Vs Taycan Controversy Continues With New Video
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https://insideevs.com/news/380263/top-gear-tesla-taycan-dragtimes-video/


Interestingly, the 0-60 times are right in line with Top Gear's numbers. They said 2.68 sec., and the Model S P100D Raven used in this test did 2.73 @ 86% SoC, and 2.65 sec. @ 96% SoC using launch mode, and 2.86 sec. @ 86% without it. The 1/4 miles did improve significantly, though.


Here's the latest from Nurburgring and the Model S Plaid, via IEVS:
Tesla Model S Plaid Laps Ring In 7:13: Beats Taycan By 29 Seconds
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https://insideevs.com/news/380247/tesla-model-s-plaid-beat-taycan/


That car has some major aero mods from stock, and no word on when it might be available to buy.
 
You've seen an official, guaranteed date for it, with a production equipment spec? We've seen Elon make a few off the cuff claims, but we know what those are worth. If you've got a hard date, do tell.
 
IEVS:
It Turns Out Porsche Taycan Deliveries Are Delayed
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https://insideevs.com/news/383171/porsche-taycan-delivery-delay/



Apparently, it's not just Tesla that runs into early issues with production and delivery.

A recent post on the Facebook Porsche Taycan Group reveals that the Taycan is now running on an 8- to 10-week delivery delay. A Norwegian reservation holder received an email from the German automaker explaining the situation. . . .

Check out the email from Porsche below (translated from Norwegian):


  • "Taycan is our first fully electric sports car. The car is developed from scratch and manufactured in a brand new factory. All Porsche employees have worked with full pressure to start delivering Taycan as scheduled in January. Still, as a result of the enormous complexity surrounding the production of Taycan, we must report that unfortunately the delivery dates are somewhat delayed.

    We currently expect delays of around eight to ten weeks, and a new production time for your car will be communicated through your seller as soon as this is ready. We strongly apologize and guarantee that we will do everything we can to deliver your Porsche Taycan as soon as possible    ."
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Official EPA rating of 201 miles.

(Perhaps the thread title shouldn't include "300 mile EV" anymore)

https://insideevs.com/news/387298/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-epa-range/
 
Shnikies, just 69 MPGe (49 kWh/100 miles). Doesn't this thing have a coefficient of drag of only 0.22-0.25?

Are thread starters allowed to modify the thread title to correct the info to "Porsche Taycan - A 200 mile EV"?
 
Note that the City efficiency is lower than the Hwy efficiency, which shows the effects of a 5,132 lb,. curb weight. I suspect some of the rest is due to grippy, non-LRR tires. This is somewhat disappointing for the U.S., not that I think the typical Taycan customer will care given how the car will likely be driven.
 

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