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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:01 pm

ElectricEddy wrote: You must have edited from miles/kWh to km/kWh from original post, anyway not to be off topic see my post from 1 year ago: LBW to turtle 42.5 km http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=17164 . I was not equipped with Leaf Spy at that time but the mileage is correct, the accumulated charge was read off the evse so I know now that it was less at the battery. My leaf is a 13 and Scoutniagara's looks like a 14, bottom end is larger I think in later models. Lithy is now 2 (and finally paid for) so I am due for another turtle run within a few weeks to check. Will post results on a separate thread at that time.
Yes, I did change the miles to km since the OP had used km. I am comfortable with either.

To the best of my knowledge, LBW and VLBW still come at 49 and 24 Gids, respectively, on the newer LEAFs. If anyone with a meter has different data, that would be useful to know. It is possible that even if the Gids are the same Nissan has changed the value of each one, although I would guess that it is unlikely. The nominal value of a Gid on older cars is 80 Wh, with about 75 Wh usable. If you are getting unexpectedly large ranges between LBW and turtle, it is possible that some of those values have changed. But it is worth noting that one often drives slowly when the battery is low and that drastically increases efficiency/range. 50 km/hr is very slow and at a 20ºC temperature would be expected to be upwards of 10.5 km/kWh. In warmer weather it would be even higher than that. By contrast, the rough 6.5 km/kWh I used would be at around 95 km/hr at 20º (or even faster in warmer temperatures).

The point I am trying to make is that your 42 km from LBW to turtle is quite reasonable without assuming any unusually large portion of the battery below LBW in newer LEAFs. All LEAFs have a lot of battery below LBW, presumably to prevent drivers from being stranded. The problem is when people get nervous about driving below LBW and, in effect, leave a lot of their range unused (and then complain about it!). That isn't a problem for you, since you have been experimenting with the lower part of the battery usage.

Some of us here highly recommend that all new LEAFers drive their cars to below VLBW to get comfortable with using the lower part of the battery charge.

It is worth pointing out that as the LEAF battery ages, the LBW and VLBW warnings remain at fixed charge levels. That means that an increasing percentage of the battery capacity is below LBW as the battery degrades. For those unwilling to go below LBW that means that their range seems to drop more quickly than it really has (sometimes leading to angry or dismayed posts about it here at MNL).
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:28 pm

Scoutniagara wrote:I think I've read all of the pertinent information, but still am not sure if the answer is here. The instance and question: Recently on a long highway trip about 180 km, with a 30 minute stop to top up to 90%, I made it home with a 300' climb about 3 km from home. I got home with no bars, no percent, three dashes and no turtle. Do the three dashes go to 2 dashes, then 1 dash before the turtle? How close was I to being stranded? How much range did I have left? Next time, I'll stop off at the CHAdeMO top up to 85%, then move to the L2 till I'm 100%. The CHAdeMO stopped at 85% with the temperature error message.

I would assume you're using the Nissan Canada QC then climbing the Niagara escarpment near home? If so your drive is very close to mine. I work at the airport and live in Ancaster. I've noticed users saying the Nissan Canada machine is cutting out with the warning but it's worked fine for me the last 2 days. I'll give you a few recommendations. First if time is tight use the Mitsubishi unit around the corner, it's a 50 kW unit vs the 44 kW at Nissan. Plugshare says it's only M-F but it's been left on overnight/weekends many times but don't be surprised if it's turned off.

Only charge to about 90% then leave. Any charge after that is slower. You're better off driving and stopping at Burlington Nissan (24hr access, right off the highway) and using the L2 there. You'll have plenty of juice to make it and by the time you get there you can charge at the L2 at the full speed (3.3 or 6.6 depending on your model).

By making 2 stops that are the same length of 1 stop to 100% you will actually get more usable energy. You may even get more usable energy with less time stopped.

If my guess of your location/route scout"Niagara" is wrong the same still applies if you leave the QC at less than 90% and have another L2 close to your route later.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:04 pm

Finally had the patience to do the 120 miles (though not the true 124 mile / 200K). Spend the last 30 miles at 25 mph, else It was just carful driving, including 30 miles on the freeway at 58-62mph.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxoQsF ... sp=sharing

It is a little unnerving once the % SOC goes to dashes.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:40 pm

Almost certainly, you had 5 or more miles remaining when that picture was taken, so you should have gone for it.

How can "one" be so sure? You can see in the picture that there is one long battery capacity bar remaining, and that usually disappears at or near 1 kWh remaining. Driving at 25mph, you should be able to eke out 5 miles from one kWh. It's not so unnerving driving with dashes after you've done it a few times and know what to look for. :)

I suspect that most drivers trying to join these clubs have the LeafSpy app and I assume that you do not. The app (for smartphones) takes even more of the mystery out of how much juice remains in your battery after the dashes appear, so for this and many other reasons, LeafSpy is highly recommended.

Kudos on the 120, regardless! :)

ps. Technically, the one picture you provide doesn't "prove" anything; but then again, it's difficult for anyone here to really prove that they joined whatever club without sneaking a little juice in the mid-way through the journey. It's the LEAF-owners' honor system here, baby! :lol:

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Finally had the patience to do the 120 miles (though not the true 124 mile / 200K). Spend the last 30 miles at 25 mph, else It was just carful driving, including 30 miles on the freeway at 58-62mph.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxoQsF ... sp=sharing

It is a little unnerving once the % SOC goes to dashes.
I think I just felt my paradigm shift.

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:53 am

I have leaf spy. I don't use it much anymore. When taking the lead in once, I forgot to remove the obdii port device, and the dealership claimed it was the source of the issue (12v battery light on consistently). Since I generally keep it out.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:11 am

My new personal best:

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Please note, I don't want to just keep driving to push it to the limit. This drive was FOUR days of commuting and a few errands, and I arrived home last night, and charged it.

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:46 pm

Nice. What year leaf?

What are your max gids?

Mine is now about 250
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:13 pm

Charged last night on L1 to 98% then unplugged. Somehow it went up to 100% by the time I started driving. Regardless, was able to get 104 miles on that charge today. 2015 S with QC. 7 months old with almost 6k miles.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:45 pm

Drowe 200km today, first time. Started and ended at the same location.
Starting GIDs 281(98,9%) and 97,3 SOC (recently i saw 284GIDs but not now when its warmer)

Outside temp 20 celcius. Battery start temp 21,1. At end 24,5

Energy economy 9,8kwh/100km (very near 9,9) after 200km.
GIDs at finish 6(2.1%) 0.4kwh remain. 5.1% SOC average mV 3,134(271diff)
Not turtle and all bubbles left, but very near.
Seems like the usable battery kwh is 20.
Have 17" wheels and the trip meter shows 3% less than my leaf with 16" wheels, so with 16" wheels the trip meter had read 206km?!



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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:21 pm

Well, I drove 100 miles on a charge again.

This time not planned. Left this afternoon on a 30 mile errand, and realized as I was driving away that I had about 28% left, and 70 miles since the last recharge. So I went for it.

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Low battery warning about at the far end of the trip, and very low battery warning about a mile from home. Had to drive a few tenths extra to get the full 100 miles.
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