NissanLeafCamper
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Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:31 pm

Hi Guys,

Just got a new uuuseed nissan leaf 2013. I went into the dealer lot and there was some confusion. I was first told the original car had the lv3 fast charger but it did not have it after further search. The first car was about 9,500 and I was stuck there for a while. Then I was suggested an 'sv' and I worked a price for that. We came down to the price of 11,500 from $13,980 for the 'sv' model. I placed 9,400 in cash/credit CC and the rest was taken out on a loan. Final price with dmv fees and all that was 13,230. Loan was of 3,830. They say I can pay in advance and won't get hit with any fees so if I want to pay more than the monthly payment they said it was okay and no fees. The APR is 17.98% :( they said it was due to being a first time car buyer and my credit score, I THINK, came out at around 650? I would have to look it up tomorrow.

Anyway, the issue was that I was being sold an 'sv' but it turned out in the end that it was an 'S' when they did look up of the vin. So I noticed this and I spoke with the sales manager and not much could be done. Can't lower the price. Said that was the lowest they could do and that it was a very good deal for what I was getting. My situation is pretty tough right now and I had not eaten since the morning. I spoke a lot with them and the only option they gave me was to try and exchange it tomorrow for an 'sv' if they have anymore. They have 3 new inventory leafs that are in the service dept and it was closed. So I might still be able to get an SV the problem is that they would have to charge me more. They said it could be 2k more.

So I ended up with the S and the good thing is that it has the quick charge so it should charge at 6.0kh. I just need input guys on what I should do. I signed all the paper work and passed on the 'return car/cancelation contract' is costed 750 and I just have no more money. I'm in the dumps right now. So what to do? Did I get a good deal? Was I just a sucker? Should I try to get an SV even if it costs me a little more? I can't do 2k I mean maybe 1k more.... I don't know I was since the morning in there hungry and my van has transmission troubles :( i'm doing pretty bad right now and waas down right desperate. Had to travel 30 miles I think just to get here in the bus. It was a 2.30 min bus ride...

help?

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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:54 pm

Not having a DC "quick charging" (aka CHAdeMO, often referred to as L3 charging) port might not matter much to you at all. You haven't said where you live yet, so we don't know if DCQC stations are nonexistent, rare, sparse, or plentiful in your area. Obviously, if none are available, it doesn't matter if the car lacks a port. If there ARE some, and your new LEAF will be your only vehicle, and you could imagine wanting to occasionally travel farther than a single charge will take you, and you don't mind spending much longer behind the wheel for those journeys (even with optimum DCQC availability, you'll only average 30 to 40MPH overall), then having one would be worthwhile.

What dollar value to put on it is kind of tough, and I sympathize with you that it's a decision you have to make when first purchasing a LEAF (can't be added later). Best of luck to you, whatever you decide!

Evoforce
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:27 pm

So, let me get this straight. The first car with no quick(L3) charge port was selling for $9,500 plus dealer fees and tax. Then instead they sold you a $13,500ish car and still without the quick charge port? What a scam! Also, I wish you could finance through a credit union and get much better rates. I find the quick charge invaluable! But I quite often have to drive more than 65 freeway miles with full A/C. I traveled 113 miles today with my Leaf. My lady went 36 miles and generally that is about all she does most of the time on her Leaf so she rarely uses L3. But if we happen to swap cars, I would still need it to have L3 especially as the battery degrades even more. Her car is currently a 10 bar car. You did not address what the capacity or mileage is on your car. You can see the stubby capacity bars outside right of the charge bars. Hopefully you have 11-12 capacity bars and it is an accurate reading and not a recent dealer reset of the system. Anyway... based on all of your external pressures, you may need to just deal with what you got and move on and work around or deal with any inconveniences. Good luck! I wish you the best... we really like our cars. Even with L3 charge port, you may find that the charge station that you were going to rely on, is broken. So the 15-30 minute charge is out and a 2-3 hour charge is what you may face unless you have another L3 charger within limping distance.
Last edited by Evoforce on Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:17 am, edited 3 times in total.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016)
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi)
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*Tesla Model 3 22,000 mi

NissanLeafCamper
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:49 pm

Hi Guys I live in L.A. and travel between the areas of pasadena, rosemead, san grabriel, and I go up to burbank on the weekends. I am currently parked at a free lv2 charging station. I am looking through the menus here and it says 80% to charge and it has 240v 6kw 2:00 the other bits like the 3kw are blank along with 120v. I wanted to get the 2013 /w quick charge because I need the 6.0kw charger. Not really for the lv3 I only travel about 30 miles or so.

So sorry the first card that was about 9k was the one I was told it had the quick charge... but it really didn't. Then I was told I could get a different car (And I was desperate because my van has trans problems and runs only on 1st gear. mechanic says needs rebuilt ) so I really needed a car. I was told they would work with me and I was offered an 'sv' worked the price on that and lowered it as I mentioned.... but then when I was paying they brought the paper for the car and it said it was really an "S" BUT it does have the quick charge. So I still ended up getting an "S" with the quick charge but the price I got it for was 11,500 while the price I saw on the other S with out the quick charge was 9 something. Which was 9,480.

It was a mistake of the seller who worked at the dealer because he got confused with the trims and cars. It was a weird situation. I ended up getting the car because I just really needed one. I was told I can come in tomorrow to do an exchange for an SV of the new stock they got, but that the price would increase if I did that.

So all in all I just wonder.... did I get a good deal for this S with quick charge? It feels like I did not, but what do I know. What should I do about the possibility of an exchange for an sv? It is going to cost more....

Also, the plates on the car just has the dealer's name on it. Do I need to go to dmv and buy a the plate number on it? Sorry, this is like my second car. The first was used and it already had the plate number. I'm just so clueless right now. I paid for most of it but I will get a lien because I had to do a loan for the rest.

Also guys, I need help... there is this weird knob on the driver side door above from where the power buttons for the windows are. it says R and it says L and you can turn it to either side but as far as I know it does nothing. what is this? is this for the driver side mirror? Its not working.. oh oh...

Evoforce
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:38 am

If you got an S with a quick charge that is much better. As you see in our signature, we have 2 SL model 2011 which have the 3.3 onboard charger instead of the 6.6 that the 2013 and later have. I believe that having L3 capability is far superior to worrying about the difference between 3.3 and 6.6 on board. For us, when we are charging at night, at home, the little bit of extra time charging, while we are asleep, means nothing. But trying to get from A to B then C to D etc and quick charge of 15-30 minutes and go, makes all the difference in the world. So I would not want to be without L3 or chademo capability.
Last edited by Evoforce on Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016)
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi)
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*Tesla Model 3 22,000 mi

Evoforce
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:41 am

The dealer handles the paperwork for title, registration, and plates. The knob, yes is to adjust your mirrors. Once you have twisted the knob for right or left, then you push or pull otherwise manipulate the knob for position. Let's be CLEAR... quick charge is 440 volts with a bigger connecter in the charge port area on the left of the 220-110 volt port. Quick charge does not mean the difference between a 3.3 and a 6.6 onboard charger. Hopefully you are not confused on that... and hopefully you got the full library of manuals that can also be found online. I think all models of the 2013 came with 6.6 onboard but i'm not 100% sure. Edit: I have been educated that the S model 2013 could have the 3.3 onboard charger. But I hope you actually got the 440V chademo port which is worth the extra money. Otherwise I think, you were taken for the amount that they charged you... unless you were comparing a 2011-12 to a 2013. Then yes, you would have to pay more for the 13. You still have not stated it's mileage or traction battery capacity.
Last edited by Evoforce on Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:10 am, edited 3 times in total.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016)
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi)
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*Tesla Model 3 22,000 mi

cwerdna
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:21 am

NissanLeafCamper wrote:So I still ended up getting an "S" with the quick charge but the price I got it for was 11,500 while the price I saw on the other S with out the quick charge was 9 something. Which was 9,480.
I haven't had time to read your posts thoroughly, but $11.5K is not a very good deal on an S w/charge package (CHAdeMO inlet and 6.x kW OBC).
Evoforce wrote: Quick charge does not mean the difference between a 3.3 and a 6.6 onboard
On the '13+ S trim, it does. Base S trim comes w/3.x kW OBC. Charge package on that adds the CHAdeMO inlet and 6 kW OBC.

OTOH, on '13+ SV, it comes w/6.x kW OBC, regardless of whether one gets the QC (CHAdeMO inlet) + LED package.

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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:26 am

Evoforce wrote:I believe that having L3 capability is far superior to worrying about the difference between 3.3 and 6.6 on board. For us, when we are charging at night, at home, the little bit of extra time charging, while we are asleep, means nothing.
For my use cases, I disagree completely. In the almost 2 years I've had my '13 Leaf SV w/both packages, I've used the CHAdeMO inlet only about 16 times, all on free DC FCs. I never really needed it in maybe 15 or all 16 of those cases.

I almost never charge at home and can only charge at 120 volts at home anyway (so 3.x vs. 6.x kW makes no difference).

Having the 6 kW OBC means I charge much faster at work and tie up a space for less time AND can start charging much later, when many people are done or have gone home. It also means my opportunity charging (if I go to work on the way home from someone) or at free 30 amp L2 EVSEs is MUCH faster.
Evoforce wrote: But trying to get from A to B then C to D etc and quick charge of 15-30 minutes and go, makes all the difference in the world. So I would not want to be without L3 or chademo capability.
In the Bay Area, unless you're on Nissan NCTC (I'm not), there are almost no free CHAdeMO stations left and none are that convenient for me anyway. The rest are either ripoff http://www.nrgevgo.com/san-francisco-bay-area/ or ripoff and often broken Blinks that are $0.59/kWh. No thanks. I've paid $0 for public charging in almost entire 2 years of usage.

But yes, CHAdeMO is a hell of lot faster than doing L2, so it helps for your situation. It's just that they're either too expensive to use, besides there being a possible adventure if it's blocked, ICEd or broken or there's a can be a line + the other problems on the few free ones left.

I plan on buying a used '13 Leaf SV w/premium package because I don't care to pay more $ for the QC + LED package. I currently have both on my leased '13 Leaf that will hit lease end at end of July.

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Evoforce
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:39 am

Many Nissan Dealers here have free quick chargers. The point is how you are truly going to use your car because we all are different. But even people who say they don't use it that often are glad to have it when they need it. I generally get L3 charging for free unless the dealers charge station happens to be broken.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016)
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi)
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*Tesla Model 3 22,000 mi

cwerdna
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Re: Got a new leaf! But... it was an odd situation...

Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:49 am

Evoforce wrote:Many Nissan Dealers here have free quick chargers.
In the past, yes. I can think of 0 now like that in the Bay Area. All of them added either NRG eVgo or Chargepoint authentication equipment and they're not free anymore unless it's part of Nissan NCTC AND you have a valid Nissan NCTC card.

One them added Chargepoint equipment, but it was still free. Now they've switched to NRG eVgo and it's not free for anyone other than those w/NCTC.
Evoforce wrote: I generally get L3 charging for free unless the dealers charge station happens to be broken.
Impossible at a dealer for me now.

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