Leaf Spy Lite

[TimLee]

I'm using LeafStat on my iPhone, but it's very limited, and dm33 doesn't seem interested in offering a pro version similar to LeafSpy, so is there any chance LeafSpy will offer a wifi version for iPhone users?

Yes, he has done some testing with a high quality WIFI adapter.
See question from Sept. 3 in LEAF Spy Pro thread.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 00#p387142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No status update yet.
Probably will be IOS version, but getting approved on Apple takes longer and more involved than Android.

[Bryon]

Help! I get stuck on Retry Elm as well. It appears it talks to the ELM briefly, but then goes into a waiting loop. Can Anyone tell me what I am doing wrong. I am using a mini Elm327 I got on Amazon.

Trace File

Leaf Spy Lite 0.28.15 HTC6525LVW HTCOneM8vzw 19
1 0 00266 00266 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00268 00268 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00274 00274 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00503 00504 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00603 00603 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00703 00704 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00803 00803 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00903 00903 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01002 01002 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01110 01110 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01210 01210 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01259 01259 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01359 01360 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01460 01460 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01560 01560 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01661 01661 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01761 01761 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01861 01861 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01963 01963 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 02066 02066 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 02094 02094 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02099 02099 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02179 02179 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02274 02274 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02322 02322 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02356 00033 : [00 00] [0d] [0d] ELM327_v2.1 [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02381 00024 : [01 00] ATE0 [0d] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02422 00040 : [02 00] Wait 4 ELM 02
1 1 02423 00041 : [02 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02455 00031 : [03 00] ELM327_v2.1 [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02487 00031 : [04 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02531 00043 : [05 00] Wait 4 ELM 05
1 1 02586 00098 : [05 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02626 00039 : [06 00] Wait 4 ELM 06
1 1 02628 00041 : [06 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02694 00066 : [07 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02728 00032 : [10 00] Wait 4 ELM 10
1 1 02763 00067 : [10 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02835 00071 : [11 00] Wait 4 ELM 11
1 1 02840 00076 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02932 00089 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 02980 00137 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03034 00050 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03085 00101 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03134 00048 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03137 00050 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03231 00093 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03382 00243 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03430 00291 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03434 00003 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03464 00033 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03525 00061 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >

[Turbo3]

Help! I get stuck on Retry Elm as well. It appears it talks to the ELM briefly, but then goes into a waiting loop. Can Anyone tell me what I am doing wrong. I am using a mini Elm327 I got on Amazon.

Trace File

Leaf Spy Lite 0.28.15 HTC6525LVW HTCOneM8vzw 19
1 0 00266 00266 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00268 00268 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00274 00274 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00503 00504 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00603 00603 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00703 00704 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00803 00803 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 00903 00903 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01002 01002 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01110 01110 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01210 01210 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01259 01259 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01359 01360 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01460 01460 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01560 01560 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01661 01661 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01761 01761 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01861 01861 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 01963 01963 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 02066 02066 : [11 00] Connect 2 ELM
1 1 02094 02094 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02099 02099 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02179 02179 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02274 02274 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02322 02322 : [11 00] Service Start
1 1 02356 00033 : [00 00] [0d] [0d] ELM327_v2.1 [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02381 00024 : [01 00] ATE0 [0d] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02422 00040 : [02 00] Wait 4 ELM 02
1 1 02423 00041 : [02 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02455 00031 : [03 00] ELM327_v2.1 [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02487 00031 : [04 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02531 00043 : [05 00] Wait 4 ELM 05
1 1 02586 00098 : [05 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02626 00039 : [06 00] Wait 4 ELM 06
1 1 02628 00041 : [06 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02694 00066 : [07 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02728 00032 : [10 00] Wait 4 ELM 10
1 1 02763 00067 : [10 00] OK [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02835 00071 : [11 00] Wait 4 ELM 11
1 1 02840 00076 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 02932 00089 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 02980 00137 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03034 00050 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03085 00101 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03134 00048 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03137 00050 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03231 00093 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03382 00243 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03430 00291 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03434 00003 : [11 00] Retry ELM 11
1 1 03464 00033 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >
1 1 03525 00061 : [11 00] ? [0d] [0d] >

The "?" on command 11 that causes the endless retries means this ELM does not support one of the commands needed to read data from the Leaf.

Note the ELM version is 2.1 instead of the previous v1.5 that people have been using.

I ordered one of these (2.1) but what the vendor sent me was a v1.5 so I have not been able to see if there is a workaround.

I did check the spec from the original maker of the ELM and v2.1 does still support the command I need. It seems like some ELM clone makers might be dropping support for all the commands so they are really not ELM compatible.

At this point I would not recommend buying an ELM with firmware version 2.1

(If someone would like to loan me a v2.1 that does not work I can test it to see what can be done. Just PM me)

[Bryon]

I will send you the 2.1 and the CD that came with it. I'll PM you for an address. It isn't worth the effort of sending back and maybe it would read codes on my Z06 or jeep if this doesn't work.

[nerys]

Something I am curious about.

when I turn on leafspy it has a readout of the capacity of the battery in kw.

for me usually 18.5 to 19.5 after charging sometimes (rarely) 19.7 and one time 19.9

what is the source of this value? is it measured somehow? accuracy? reliability?

it seems that my battery holds a lot less than 19.5kw. in fact the first 2 kilowatts seems to be a bit of a fiction or something. no matter how careful I drive I can't get more than 2.5 to 3 miles to the kw those first 2 or so kilowatts.

once I get below 17 it smooths out and I get between 5 and 6 miles to the kilowatt consistently when I try to measure it.

its almost like its falsely reading more power in the battery than it is really holding so the kw value drops "rapidly" initially as it adjusts to the value the battery is "actually" holding.

my primary concern is this getting worse to where I am losing 1/4 or 1/3 my range but the system "thinks" there is more their than it really as so it incorrectly says my battery is healthier than it really is.

how do I diagnose this IE how do I figure it out? maybe it is nothing really to worry about or maybe it is. I am curious though.

[Turbo3]

Something I am curious about.

when I turn on leafspy it has a readout of the capacity of the battery in kw.

for me usually 18.5 to 19.5 after charging sometimes (rarely) 19.7 and one time 19.9

what is the source of this value? is it measured somehow? accuracy? reliability?

The kWh calculation is based on the number of Gids read from the Leaf times the Wh/Gid number in Settings. The default is 75 Wh/Gid but you can change it in Settings.

You may want to move this question over to the Leaf Spy/Leaf Spy Pro topic as this topic is for Leaf Spy Lite which does not display this value. I am sure others there can comment on the accuracy of Gids. But yes the top gids do not seem to match the energy of the later gids. The bottom gids seem to have the opposite characteristic.

[achronox]

Hi Guys,

I meant to post this here, but created a New topic instead... sorry for the double post.

I just bought a new 2015 Leaf SV and I'm loving it, but I'm concerned about the fact that Leaf Spy only indicates 56.6 AHr capacity. I know a new battery should be 66 AHr.

I'm in Canada, and he car only has 500km (300mi) on it and is ~1 week old. The first day I got the car, the estimated range was 160km (171 in ECO mode). Now on a full charge in ECO mode it only shows ~138km range. The battery meter shows all 12 bars and charge is 100%. When we first got the car, the average was 5.5 km/kWh and we managed to get it up to 6.6 km/kWh, so we are not driving it hard (always ECO mode actually).

A friend of mine has a 2012 SV with 15000 km and Leaf Spy shows 59Ahr capacity for his.

Do I have a bad battery, or is there something different in a 2015 that Leaf Spy cannot handle?

How does Leaf Spy determine AHr? Does it calculate or is it something read directly from CAN bus that is calculated by Leaf computer?

I plan to take it back to the dealer for a capacity test, but I want to be informed before I go in.

I would appreciate some help/advice!

Thanks,
Andrew

[Turbo3]

Hi Guys,

I meant to post this here, but created a New topic instead... sorry for the double post.

I just bought a new 2015 Leaf SV and I'm loving it, but I'm concerned about the fact that Leaf Spy only indicates 56.6 AHr capacity. I know a new battery should be 66 AHr.

I'm in Canada, and he car only has 500km (300mi) on it and is ~1 week old. The first day I got the car, the estimated range was 160km (171 in ECO mode). Now on a full charge in ECO mode it only shows ~138km range. The battery meter shows all 12 bars and charge is 100%. When we first got the car, the average was 5.5 km/kWh and we managed to get it up to 6.6 km/kWh, so we are not driving it hard (always ECO mode actually).

A friend of mine has a 2012 SV with 15000 km and Leaf Spy shows 59Ahr capacity for his.

Do I have a bad battery, or is there something different in a 2015 that Leaf Spy cannot handle?

How does Leaf Spy determine AHr? Does it calculate or is it something read directly from CAN bus that is calculated by Leaf computer?

I plan to take it back to the dealer for a capacity test, but I want to be informed before I go in.

I would appreciate some help/advice!

Thanks,
Andrew

The AHr value is read from the Leaf's BMS ECU (Battery Management System). Leaf Spy just reports the value it reads from the Leaf.

[achronox]

Thanks for the quick reply Turbo!

Looks like I have a problem and a good case to present to Nissan.

Andrew

[TimLee]

... Do I have a bad battery ...

Note that some 2013 batteries read low although they did have normal range.

Also, replacement battery readings often start low and take several weeks for the LEAF to learn and report accurate capacity.

First report I have read of such low values on a 2015, but very few have tested and reported on brand new 2015s.

Very likely dealer and Nissan will want to wait several weeks before being concerned about the reported capacity.

And on the 2013's that reported low I don't think they did anything on those as the real driving range was normal.