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Statik said:
Good month, Nissan sold 1,579 LEAFs, thats up 60%.
...and some shameless self-promotion:
Advertising + Cheap Leases Equals Big Sales Gains For Nissan LEAF. 1,579 Sold In October
http://insideevs.com/advertising-cheap-leases-equals-big-sales-gains-for-nissan-leaf-1579-sold-in-october/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This should help the LEAF Dec sales. $5k off. The sale of a couple dozen over the Volt got them some good press as well.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=10848" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new-leaf-s-model-at-28800-puts-plug-in-competition-on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050
 
scottf200 said:
I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new-leaf-s-model-at-28800-puts-plug-in-competition-on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050

Why the hell do you care ?

Are you afraid that the Leaf might outsell the Volt again ?
 
KJD said:
Why the hell do you care ?
Are you afraid that the Leaf might outsell the Volt again ?
Actually I think it would be great (good trade off) because it will help the acceptance of all BEV and PHEV.
More cars powered by electricity the better.

[update]
Plus this will make the other manufacturers lower their prices. Competition is good.
Price is a major complaint by the masses for all the BEV and PHEVs.
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I think Nissan will make a relatively modest profit on the 2013 LEAF if it doesn't have to offer further incentives to bring US sales to over 5,000 a month, as I'm guessing they will at by the end of the 2013 model year.

GM, like all the compliance BEV sellers, will now have to cut prices of the Spark EV further in order to remain competitive, and will lose even more on each sale of these low-volume compliance cars.

And I expect GM will continue to lose money on each Volt it sells, indefinitely.

I'll add my 2013 MY guess for GM sales to the sales number guess I posted for the LEAF last week.

Volt: 34,000.

Spark EV: (MY 2014, sales by year end 2013) 3,100.

I agree with others, (2013 LEAF S price) probably just shy of $30k.

But I think there is an outside chance the "S" could be severely de-contented and priced just under $27,500, so that Nissan could advertise it as "starting under $20,000, after tax credit".

You probably won't see many low price "stripper" LEAFs on the dealer's lots anyway, as they will be just as uncommon as the loss-leader "starting at...$ "stripper" ICEVs.

While I'm at it, I'm also guessing the 2013 LEAF EPA range will be ~79 miles, and that the total USA 2013 MY LEAF sales will be ~48,000, ending in ~October, when the nearly-identical 2014 MY will hit the dealerships.


http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11165" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


scottf200 said:
I wondering if they are selling them at a significant lost to get the sales and letting their gas based cars make up the profit difference?

http://insideevs.com/nissan-prices-new-leaf-s-model-at-28800-puts-plug-in-competition-on-notice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan took a huge leap forward today in pricing the entry level LEAF at $28,800. That is $6,400 cheaper (about 18% less) than the most inexpensive 2012 model on sale today. With the federal incentive applied, you are talking a very enticing $21,300, and as low as $18,800 in California once their state rebate has been discounted.

Truly, being freed of the pressure from importing the car from Japan (and the yen) has meant a much more affordable car for North America.

Both the mid-grade SV and SL also got significantly cheaper at $31,820 and $34,480 respectively. As a refresher, the old SV trim level came in at $35,200, and $37,250 for the SL, a difference of only $2,050
 
edatoakrun said:
I think Nissan will make a relatively modest profit on the 2013 LEAF if it doesn't have to offer further incentives to bring US sales to over 5,000 a month, as I'm guessing they will at by the end of the 2013 model year...
5000 a month? That seems a stretch given that most people can't be bothered to learn how a short range commuter car can be a worthwhile purchase.

I'd be surprised and pleased if LEAF sales consistently reached 2000 a month. Nissan has a long way to go to get there.
 
evnow said:
Use the relevent threads to discuss 2013 pricing, pls.
Worldwide sales/cuts to increase sales.

Nissan Cuts LEAF Price In Europe By €3,000 ($4,000 USD)
http://insideevs.com/nissan-cuts-leaf-price-in-europe-by-e3000-4000-usd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nissan Slashes 2013 Entry Level LEAF Pricing In Japan By $3,100 To Offset End Of Subsidies And Increase Demand
http://insideevs.com/nissan-slashes-2013-entry-level-leaf-pricing-in-japan-by-3100-to-offset-end-of-subsidies-and-increase-demand/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2013 Nissan LEAF: $199 Lease Details, Sale Date For Canada, More Battery Production In The US
http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-199-lease-details-sale-date-for-canada-more-battery-production-in-the-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
EdmondLeaf said:
Is time for GM to update Volt. I am not talking price only, but make it really 4 person car, back access is terrible.

Thats a problem of the Delta II platform and the heavy B pillar in a compact sized car.. the low roof does not help either.
 
Herm said:
EdmondLeaf said:
Is time for GM to update Volt. I am not talking price only, but make it really 4 person car, back access is terrible.
Thats a problem of the Delta II platform and the heavy B pillar in a compact sized car.. the low roof does not help either.
Various discussions in articles about the new DX22 platform for the Volt and other cars.
The platform - essentially a flexible set of underbody components that includes wheels, tires, brakes and suspension - carries the internal GM designation D2XX, according to the two sources familiar with the program.
Development of the D2XX platform is a critical part of GM's ongoing consolidation of its global vehicle platforms in an effort to reduce manufacturing complexity and cost. It will combine two current GM platforms - the Delta II platform, which underpins the 2012 Cruze and Volt, and the Theta platform, which is the base for the 2012 Equinox.
 
Herm said:
EdmondLeaf said:
Is time for GM to update Volt. I am not talking price only, but make it really 4 person car, back access is terrible.
Thats a problem of the Delta II platform and the heavy B pillar in a compact sized car.. the low roof does not help either.
Yes, as a tall person I found the low roof of the Volt made it awkward to get in and out. It is something one would become accustomed to eventually I suppose. But after a long trip driving a Volt I found getting back into my comfortable, spacious, LEAF a relief.
 
Tesla Model S - Over 2,400 Sold, 2,750 Built in Last Quarter of 2012.

http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-over-2400-sold-2750-built-in-last-quarter-of-2012/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Re: Global/worldwide sales for Volt, LEAF, and PIP

Several articles out but this seemed to be the source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/gm-s-chevy-volt-outsold-nissan-leaf-last-year-bnef-says.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
GM’s Chevy Volt Outsold Nissan Leaf Last Year, BNEF Says
By Siddharth Philip - Mar 12, 2013 10:01 AM CT
Deliveries of the Volt more than tripled to 30,090 units in 2012, the top seller among vehicles that need to be plugged in to a socket for recharging, according to yesterday’s report. It was followed by Toyota’s plug-in Prius, whose first-year sales of 27,181 units exceeded the 25,435 units of the Leaf, the leader in 2011, according to the report.
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Nissan, Japan’s second-largest automaker, said this week it’s putting its electric-vehicle business under the direct supervision of the chief operating officer. While it’s fallen behind the Volt, the Leaf in January became the first car in its category to reach cumulative sales of 50,000 units.

GM is working on an electric car that has a range of as much as 200 miles as the company targets having half a million vehicles on the road by 2017 with some form of electrification, Chief Executive Officer Dan Akerson said this month.

For comparison of USA sales vs global/worldwide numbers above:
http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Monthly Sales Recap Archives links are available via above link
Monthly-Plug-In-Sales-2012-FInal-550x339.png
 
2012 Top 1,000 Global Sales List 10 hours ago by Eric Loveday
http://insideevs.com/2012-top-1000-global-sales-list-chevy-volt-ranks-432-nissan-leaf-468-renault-twizy-626-mitsubishi-i-miev-645-tesla-model-s-730/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Giving credit where it’s due, the staff at Best Selling Cars Blog [different source], along with assistance from a gent by the name of Austin Rutherford
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Chevy Volt / Opel-Vauxhall Ampera: Sales 31,400 Units – Rank Overall: 432nd Place
Nissan LEAF: Sales 26,566 Units – Rank Overall: 468th Place
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Tesla Model S: Sales 2,650 Units -Rank Overall: 730th Place
Renault Fluence: Sales 1,407 Units -Rank Overall: 779th Place*
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Tesla Roadster: Sales 132 Units – Rank Overall: 881st Place
Renault Zoe: Sales 60 Units – Rank Overall: 902nd Place
 
EdmondLeaf said:
Is time for GM to update Volt. I am not talking price only, but make it really 4 person car, back access is terrible.

Very true. I test drove a Volt before getting the second Leaf and that was my biggest concern. We frequently use a Leaf for trips with three or four people - all adult-sized - and the Volt just isn't designed for that. Mind you, the Focus Electric wasn't a lot better. I test drove that with 5 people, as the dealer needed to ride along, and rode in the back for part if it so my daughter could test drive the car. We all agreed the back seat wasn't up to the comfort of the Leaf.
 
World’s Most Comprehensive 2012 Global Plug-In Vehicle Sales List
3 hours ago by Eric Loveday
http://insideevs.com/worlds-most-comprehensive-2012-global-plug-in-vehicle-sales-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
2013 sales-
http://www.electricdrive.org/index.php?ht=d/sp/i/20952/pid/20952" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
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