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http://www.baaqmd.gov/Divisions/Strategic-Incentives/Bay-Area-EV-Ready/EV-Charge.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...The BAAQMD will also be working to provide funding for the establishment of a network of up to 50 Direct Charge (DC) fast chargers. This effort will also include a coordination component to ensure charging infrastructure is in compliance with all applicable permitting, regulations, utility and local installation requirements. This program builds on BAAQMD’s FY 2009/2010 award of $1.3 million that helped to fund 400 Level 2 J1772 chargers, 6 DC fast chargers, and the first Battery-Swap station in North America...

Do we have 6 fast chargers, and a public battery swap station in the SF bay area?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/Divisions/Strategic-Incentives/Bay-Area-EV-Ready.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...The Bay Area Air Quality Management District (BAAQMD) Board of Directors has awarded $3.9 million to four companies to offer home charger incentives. PEV drivers that choose to participate in this program will be required to provide PEV usage data over a three-year period. This data will be used to evaluate Bay Area PEV driver charging patterns and help to inform and develop future PEV incentive programs...
Anyone here part of that program?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/~/media/Files/Administration/RFP%20RFQ/BAAQMD%20RFP%20Workshp%20EVSE%20Deployment%20Program%20Presentation%20-%2012-20-10.ashx?la=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://chargedsv.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/J-Broadbent-_-BACC-6-2-11-FINAL_pdf.pptx.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.cleancitieseastbay.org/BAAQMD%20EV%20program%202-11-11.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2010-ALT-1/documents/2010-10-19_workshop/presentations/Bay_Area_Air_Quality_Management_District_2010-10-18.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
You gotta learn how to read bureaucratic doublespeak. First, note that they said, "up to 50." It turns out that 0 is less than 50, so they have already met that goal. Now, the next part is a bit more tricky. What they mean, though they didn't exactly say it, is that their $1.3m funding came from a government pool, and that pool "helped to fund 400 Level 2 J1772 chargers, 6 DC fast chargers, and the first Battery-Swap station in North America." So, where's the battery swap station? I dunno, but I guess it could be that it's been funded, but not built yet.

How do I know all this? Pure logic. DC fast chargers contracted and installed by a government agency are going to cost at least $50k each. J1772 stations will cost them at least $5K apiece. That's already $300K + $2000k and we haven't allowed for the probable 15% agency overhead. Let's see ... how much does that leave out of $1300k for the battery swap station?

Ray
 
I believe the Etec Level 3 (Quick Charge) "UL Listing" certifications may have just occurred (at least for Models GP-208K1, GP-480K1, and GP-600K1):

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=FFTG.E175032&ccnshorttitle=Electric+Vehicle+Charging+System+Equipment&objid=1074087435&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073986559&sequence=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If so, this may mean their installations may begin any day now...
 
waidy said:
Thanks for the link Waidy! That's the first time I've seen a picture of an actual SAE dc fast charging connector. I'd seen illustrations at shows, but not actual connector hardware. It would be nice if SAE could this out fast, so we can have the DC fast charge standards war quickly and mercifully and then pick a winner ChaDEMO or the SAE, but just have it settled so that future investments in fast charging aren't wasted - PARTICULARLY THE VEHICLE PORTS!! Makes me sick how the discussions at conferences, among stakeholders often say, oh the fast charger can be converted to ChaDEMO or the SAE standard, completely ignoring the costs to consumers of having DC fast charge ports in their cars that may be obsolete - SAE or ChaDEMO - depending on who wins the battle. And the likelihood of an international standard that all countries use which would help to reduce costs, seems a bit remote...

I guess being part of the first wave, we're taking some of the risks and working all of these issues so that EVs are even better, easier and less expensive to use with a robust charging infrastructure for the next wave. Drive Electric!
 
I suppose you missed the long thread "Jamb this in your LEAF" http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
planet4ever said:
waidy said:
Sorry, but I don't see any mention of L3 or Level 3 in that article. They do talk about ac and dc Level 1 and Level 2.
The standards committees have come up with really lousy names when you try to keep this all straight.

Roughly speaking:

"Level 1" (CARB) = "AC Level 1" (J1772) (SAE) = 120V <= 1.9 kW
"Level 2" (CARB) = "AC Level 2" (J1772) (SAE) = 240V <= 19.2 kW
none (CARB) = "AC Level 3" (TBD) (SAE) = 240V > 19.2 kW, single or 3 phase

"Level 3" (CARB definition) = DC Fast Charge any level

"DC Level 1" (SAE) = DC, < 36 kW
"DC Level 2" (SAE) = DC, < 90 kW = "Quick Charge" 49 kW (Nissan)
"DC Level 2" (SAE) = DC, > 90 kW

If you're still awake - try this pdf link for more about the AC/DC levels defined by SAE!!

If you're confused, blame SAE!!
 
MikeD said:
I believe the Etec Level 3 (Quick Charge) "UL Listing" certifications may have just occurred (at least for Models GP-208K1, GP-480K1, and GP-600K1):

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=FFTG.E175032&ccnshorttitle=Electric+Vehicle+Charging+System+Equipment&objid=1074087435&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073986559&sequence=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If so, this may mean their installations may begin any day now...

Thanks for the update.

Is this the model?
http://www.ecotality.com/newsletter/10132010_Blink_DC_Fast_Charger.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
planet4ever said:
Exactly. People on this forum keep trying to use terminology that apparently no one in the world uses except the California Air Resources Board.
I actually like just calling it level 3. having level 1 to 3 in AC and then 1 to 3 in DC is something I'm not even going to try to explain that to a lay person, unless they REALLY want to know! :D Then again, I wish we had better, consumer friendly terms to start with!
 
LEAFfan said:
ElectricVehicle said:
I actually like just calling it level 3.

I like QC because it's shorter and more accurate.
Yes, but we have Quick Charge versus DC Fast Charge, I have to change which term I use depending on the audience. I think outside the LEAF Quick Charge doesn't have a specific meaning to people... If we could all agree to one term, whatever it is, that's easy... Maybe after we have a standard between SAE and ChaDEMO for a Quick Charge / DC Fast Charge, we might get a term for it.

I'd almost go for just the kW rating... at least then consumers could identify that bigger numbers means faster charging even if they don't know waht a kW is....
 
I don't know if this has posted yet or not. Ecotality's DC QC plans for TN:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110917/BUSINESS03/309170075/30-minute-Leaf-chargers-soon-will-trickle-into-TN?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Business" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Epyon dual CHAdeMO charging in Amsterdam:
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TEG said:
Epyon dual CHAdeMO charging in Amsterdam:
Nice! Looks like it might have semi-reasonable cost being a compact dual unit. Looks like it charges both at once... 500V * 120A = 60 kW each or 120 kW for the site when two quick charges are simultaneous. I think 2 QCs at a site if pretty imporant to reduce issues where you need a Quick Charge and someone is already using it, or worse, they're getting a Quick Charge and need one (vs. 5+ hours at 240V) but have gone of and done something else for 2 hours like watching a movie but their car finished in 30 minutes, and now the charger occupied but not charging for the remaining hour and a half.

Ahh.. these are just the heads, there's a large box someplace feeding these. I knew better, 120 kW of power electronics won't fit in that svelte pedestal!
http://www.epyonpower.com/ChargingInfrastructure/charginginfrastructure/charging_infrastructure.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
ElectricVehicle said:
Ahh.. these are just the heads, there's a large box someplace feeding these. I knew better, 120 kW of power electronics won't fit in that svelte pedestal!
Nissan has one that will fit into that pedestal - they'll probably have one that fits 2 into the same space in another year at the rate they're improving their DC quick charge stations.
 
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