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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:06 pm

I also have two of the original Nissan units upgraded by EVSE Upgrade (Ingineer's company) and they are both high-quality units. One is their original generation upgrade which is 12 amperes at any voltage (purchased as a backup and to use with my generator, if necessary, when my 2011 was almost new) and the other is the original from my 2011 that I sent in for upgrade after the car met its demise. The second one is adjustable from 6 to 12 amperes at 120 volts and 6 to 24 amperes at 208 or 240 volts, if I remember correctly. I suppose I could sell the 12A unit if someone needs one.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 am

This Ebay sale
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-OEM-2014- ... Sw0KJgOvWV

of a Nissan branded EVSE is interesting. It appears to take both 120v/240v and is limited to 24 Amps on L2.
The electronics box looks smaller in the photo compared to what I have, so perhaps that is why the Amp limit is lower.

I don't recommend putting these mobile EVSEs to daily use for the reasons I wrote earlier but it is a cheap solution up-front. And to the couple of people who are sure that such use is fine because they do it and have not had any problems, I'll regale you with the story of my Grandmother who heavily smoked her entire adult life and did not die from cancer or heart disease.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:34 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:06 pm
I also have two of the original Nissan units upgraded by EVSE Upgrade (Ingineer's company) and they are both high-quality units. One is their original generation upgrade which is 12 amperes at any voltage (purchased as a backup and to use with my generator, if necessary, when my 2011 was almost new) and the other is the original from my 2011 that I sent in for upgrade after the car met its demise.
Truth be told, I (only) have the original EVSE Upgrade that is 12a @120v and 16a @240v, not the second generation one that allows for adjustable charge rates. However, it may never matter to me, because my Gen 1 Leaf (only) charges @3.6 kW rate--and I'm getting very close to upgrading my 24 kWh pack to a 40 kWh pack...which means I may never need (or be able) to charge above that rate!
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:59 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 am
This Ebay sale
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-OEM-2014- ... Sw0KJgOvWV

of a Nissan branded EVSE is interesting. It appears to take both 120v/240v and is limited to 24 Amps on L2.
The electronics box looks smaller in the photo compared to what I have, so perhaps that is why the Amp limit is lower.

I don't recommend putting these mobile EVSEs to daily use for the reasons I wrote earlier but it is a cheap solution up-front. And to the couple of people who are sure that such use is fine because they do it and have not had any problems, I'll regale you with the story of my Grandmother who heavily smoked her entire adult life and did not die from cancer or heart disease.
I believe the first EVSE upgrades would go to 24a, I believe they were non-adjustable? 24a was kind of pushing the limits of the J1772 wire but was probably just code. The next generation of EVSE upgrades was 20a max and adjustable, that's the generation I have for my '13 Leaf and it works great to this day. My only complaint is it only does 12a @ 120v, they did make one that did 16a @ 120v but it cost more and I didn't think I would use it at the time. I also have a first-gen non-adjustable upgrade that does 20a on both 240v and 120v, because of this I don't really use it on a standard 120v outlet as it would be more than the breaker would allow for continuous use, I have used it with an outlet adapter on a TT-30 outlet to get quite a bit faster 120v charging than the regular 12a gives me.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:40 am

jjeff wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:59 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 am
This Ebay sale
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-OEM-2014- ... Sw0KJgOvWV

of a Nissan branded EVSE is interesting. It appears to take both 120v/240v and is limited to 24 Amps on L2.
The electronics box looks smaller in the photo compared to what I have, so perhaps that is why the Amp limit is lower.

I don't recommend putting these mobile EVSEs to daily use for the reasons I wrote earlier but it is a cheap solution up-front. And to the couple of people who are sure that such use is fine because they do it and have not had any problems, I'll regale you with the story of my Grandmother who heavily smoked her entire adult life and did not die from cancer or heart disease.
I believe the first EVSE upgrades would go to 24a, I believe they were non-adjustable? 24a was kind of pushing the limits of the J1772 wire but was probably just code. The next generation of EVSE upgrades was 20a max and adjustable, that's the generation I have for my '13 Leaf and it works great to this day. My only complaint is it only does 12a @ 120v, they did make one that did 16a @ 120v but it cost more and I didn't think I would use it at the time. I also have a first-gen non-adjustable upgrade that does 20a on both 240v and 120v, because of this I don't really use it on a standard 120v outlet as it would be more than the breaker would allow for continuous use, I have used it with an outlet adapter on a TT-30 outlet to get quite a bit faster 120v charging than the regular 12a gives me.
The EVSE I linked to does not appear to be upgraded. The label looks OEM
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:40 am
jjeff wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:59 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 am
This Ebay sale
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-OEM-2014- ... Sw0KJgOvWV

of a Nissan branded EVSE is interesting. It appears to take both 120v/240v and is limited to 24 Amps on L2.
The electronics box looks smaller in the photo compared to what I have, so perhaps that is why the Amp limit is lower.

I don't recommend putting these mobile EVSEs to daily use for the reasons I wrote earlier but it is a cheap solution up-front. And to the couple of people who are sure that such use is fine because they do it and have not had any problems, I'll regale you with the story of my Grandmother who heavily smoked her entire adult life and did not die from cancer or heart disease.
I believe the first EVSE upgrades would go to 24a, I believe they were non-adjustable? 24a was kind of pushing the limits of the J1772 wire but was probably just code. The next generation of EVSE upgrades was 20a max and adjustable, that's the generation I have for my '13 Leaf and it works great to this day. My only complaint is it only does 12a @ 120v, they did make one that did 16a @ 120v but it cost more and I didn't think I would use it at the time. I also have a first-gen non-adjustable upgrade that does 20a on both 240v and 120v, because of this I don't really use it on a standard 120v outlet as it would be more than the breaker would allow for continuous use, I have used it with an outlet adapter on a TT-30 outlet to get quite a bit faster 120v charging than the regular 12a gives me.
The EVSE I linked to does not appear to be upgraded. The label looks OEM
No that label is defiantly not OEM, it says 100-140v 16a (12a typical) and 200-250v 24a (20a typical) 50/60hz.
Not sure whats up with the "typical" wording, I mean does it max out at 20a or 24a @ 240v? same with 120v, 16a or 12a? I'd guess it's an early EVSEupgrade'd EVSE. If it goes for the current $135 + shipping it's a good deal, the OEM Panasonic EVSE is a good rock-solid EVSE, of course, it could get bid up.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:07 pm

I don't recommend putting these mobile EVSEs to daily use for the reasons I wrote earlier but it is a cheap solution up-front. And to the couple of people who are sure that such use is fine because they do it and have not had any problems, I'll regale you with the story of my Grandmother who heavily smoked her entire adult life and did not die from cancer or heart disease.
You don't understand the risk factors here. Plugging a good portable EVSE in and leaving it plugged in, sheltered from the weather, makes it just as durable as an inexpensive wall-mount charging station. The hardware is virtually the same. The only risks in using a portable EVSE as a home charging station have to do with moving it around constantly, or using it with no protection from rain for long periods.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:27 pm

I agree, you could use it permanently. If I recall correctly it is supposed to take some rain and such but not being drenched in water, I would not mount it outside. I take mine on road trips and plug it in when camping and have a permanently mounted charger but I always tell new people to wait a little while before they spend on the electrician to make sure they like it.

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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:56 pm

You can mount them outside, as long as they have some protection from the rain. Ours have done fine with just the garage eave protecting them - except for the one that failed, which was a wall mount unit and fully weatherproof. ;)
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:46 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:16 am
The Nissan mobile EVSE was not designed for the way you are thinking about using it.

Water is one problem,
Frequent connect/disconnect is another,
Frequent use at 240v is a third
@SageBrush The Nissan OEM 120/240v EVSE is a UL Listed robust device. UL Listed devices UL listing ensures Safety and Longevity under normal wear and tear.

I’ve worked to get some 50amp 240v devices UL Listed and CSA Listed. UL doesn’t approve unless they are confident that the products are safe and robust.

I will agree that a poor quality 14-50R receptacle can get loose with constant plug and unplug usage and cause problems. Ask anyone who camps with a camper requiring. 50 amp connection. Good quality receptacles fair much better than inexpensive ones.

We actually provided a 14-50R receptacle to customers before delivering and installing our equipment. We provided either Bryant or Hubble. Leviton Was not first choice.
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