sendler2112
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:31 pm

I can make the 40 mile distance to work most of the time. I hypermile my Honda Fit to 40 mpgUS and do half of my miles/ year right now in any weather that there is no ice on the roads with heated clothing on my ecomodded Honda CBR250R at 105 mpg. If the forecast looks like a snow storm that might create a traffic jam I can use the Fit on the worst days. Average 4 miles/ kWh in the Leaf equals 10kWh per trip. Piece of cake.

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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:40 pm

I owned a Honda Fit for couple of years and averaged something north or 40+ mpg also, but I would never presume 4 miles per kWh in Syracuse winter in a LEAF. You also have to keep in mind that as the battery gets colder the available energy drops. Lastly, the battery degradation of ~ 3.5% a year is linear.

If you plan to keep a substitute vehicle for those days when the LEAF is inadequate you are good to go. Do you have a plan 'B' for those occasions when your workplace charging is unavailable ?
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm

I'd estimate 3.0-3.5 m/kwh in a Syracuse Winter when the heat pump can run, and 2.0-2.5 when it's too cold for the heat pump.
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:50 pm

^ Agreed. I saw 3.0 - 3.5 km/kWh during the coldest parts of winter last year, and that was with just enough heat to keep the windows from frosting up.
If your other car is a Fit that you plan to keep and you'd rather ride a motorbike any time the roads aren't too slippery, I'm not sure I'd bother with an EV at all.
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:21 am

Titanium48 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:50 pm
^ Agreed. I saw 3.0 - 3.5 km/kWh during the coldest parts of winter last year, and that was with just enough heat to keep the windows from frosting up.
If your other car is a Fit that you plan to keep and you'd rather ride a motorbike any time the roads aren't too slippery, I'm not sure I'd bother with an EV at all.
45 minute, steady highway commute with preconditioning? Or short trips stuck with the heat on in traffic?
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The CBR20R at 100 mpgUS and $2.50 per gallon is actually cheaper to put energy in than A Leaf at $0.12 per kWh. But obviously jumping in a warm, dry car is much more comfortable and safer.

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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:59 am

Preconditioning in the morning, but not the afternoon. City driving, but not usually stuck in heavy traffic. Average speed of 20-25 km/h including slow moving traffic and time waiting at traffic lights.
A highway drive at moderate speed would certainly deliver better efficiency, but if you are covering 40 miles in 45 minutes door to door your cruise speed will be at least 90 km/h, which won't allow much more than 4 mi/kWh even without HVAC.
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:02 pm

My estimate was based on my driving in little to moderate traffic, average speed about 30MPH. (The average speed tends to be lower than you expect, because it includes time spent stopped.)
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:51 pm

So 10 kWh for propulsion and ancillaries for 40 miles plus 45 minutes of resistive heating to clear the glass on the worst day is what? Another 2 kWh.

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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:41 pm

sendler2112 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:51 pm
So 10 kWh for propulsion and ancillaries for 40 miles plus 45 minutes of resistive heating to clear the glass on the worst day is what? Another 2 kWh.
2kwh sounds about right for the heat pump, with the PTC assisting. If it's below 25F or so, though, it can be double or even close to triple that (near 0F or colder) for heating if the PTC is doing almost all the work.
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Re: Is this LeafSpy data ok for 2014 with 62,000 miles?

Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:01 pm

I thought max PTC consumption was 3 kW?

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