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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:20 am

OrientExpress wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:15 am
Oh sure, all batteries have loss over time, but what I think we are seeing is that the new designs loss profile is on par with other BEV manufacturer's batteries.

My 2018 is a year and a half old, and it still has the same range profile as when new. We quick charge exclusively these days, and the range is still between 145-175 depending on the time of year.
What do you think your range would be at 11 bars? 130? 135? What is your range now?
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:08 am

It would be hard to speculate that I would even reach that kind of degradation in the lifetime that I will have the vehicle.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:49 pm

OrientExpress doesn't believe in LeafSpy, so we should assume that he's using the GOM.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:32 pm

Well, my 2019 SV plus still consistently reads over 250 at full in the dead of Winter, so that puts me at -16% degradation on the Tesla scale.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:51 pm

I never got 150 even when it was new.

My few road trips show I get about 3.3 Mi/Kwh on the open road. That should translate into 120 miles max range but I would never take it down that far. A realistic SAFE range of the 2018 for me on freeway, leaving 20% in the "tank" would probably be around 85 ish miles.

BUT I mostly use it in town, and in town I average around 4 miles per Kwh and never need to worry about range anyway.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Wow,
How fast do you drive? Even at 70mph, I am often close to 4 miles/kWh. Now that is with tires at 44psi and staying around traffic. Propilot will sap some efficiency.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:31 pm

danrjones wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:51 pm
My few road trips show I get about 3.3 Mi/Kwh on the open road.
That must be on 395 doing 75 MPH uphill from Bishop to Mammoth, right? :D
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:06 am

lorenfb wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:31 pm
danrjones wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:51 pm
My few road trips show I get about 3.3 Mi/Kwh on the open road.
That must be on 395 doing 75 MPH uphill from Bishop to Mammoth, right? :D
Close!

395 from where I live back to the dealer in Palmdale. So the other direction. Some terrain, maybe ~2800 feet of change. But I am not a speed demon, so I'm usually around 72.

I look forward to the day I can do my house to Mammoth in an EV, but I can't do it with the 2018 and the lack of chargers.
Once EA gets them in theoretically I could do it but it would take forever and be dependent on single point of failure chargers.

I'm hoping my next EV will be about 300 miles of range and then it should be much easier.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:18 am

For what its worth, the tool A Better route Planner seems to concur with my data - it has me leaving my house as 100% (72 mph max) and arriving at my dealer with 15% That is with the standard 5% battery degradation. If I bump that to 9%, which is what leafspy says for my SOH loss, I am down to an estimated 11% arrival.

So my real world matches the Route Planner really well.

EDIT:
As an interesting comparison, going from my house to mammoth has ~ 8900 feet of up and 3300 feet of down in a one way trip up to the town. Real wold around here is not flat.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:35 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:32 pm
Well, my 2019 SV plus still consistently reads over 250 at full in the dead of Winter, so that puts me at -16% degradation on the Tesla scale.
Only have to average in the low 4's to hit that. I do that easily with less than efficient driving. No heat, minimal defrost but definitely higher than legal speeds as much as possible. Finished the work rush so life is soon back to normal so I finally have a chance to do some "optional" driving.
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