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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:19 am

I've been thinking the same thing for a while. It almost seems the SOH is just an estimate based on time, temperature, probably a few other inputs. Its accuracy is anyone's guess. The only true test is still an external range test. The nice thing about that is it's impossible to get to tenths of a % accuracy so one doesn't have to fret over every single little drop.

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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:04 am

danrjones wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:39 am

How is our AHr the same but different SOH?
The short answer is I have no idea.

Thinking about what is your typical mV spread in leaf spy? Mine is 12-18mV & perhaps if yours is higher then that may explain since presumably a greater mV spread would indicate less total capacity since the lowest mV cells obfuscates the capacity difference of the higher mV cells.
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09/18-01K Mi: 114.52AHr / SOH= 99.20%
04/19-10K Mi: 111.45AHr / SOH= 96.54%
11/19-20K Mi: 107.44AHr / SOH= 93.07%
12/20-33K Mi: 105.39Ahr / SOH= 91.29%
04/21-35K Mi: 104.32Ahr / SOH= 90.37%

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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:36 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:04 am
danrjones wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:39 am

How is our AHr the same but different SOH?
The short answer is I have no idea.

Thinking about what is your typical mV spread in leaf spy? Mine is 12-18mV & perhaps if yours is higher then that may explain since presumably a greater mV spread would indicate less total capacity since the lowest mV cells obfuscates the capacity difference of the higher mV cells.
12-18mV seems like a large spread. I don't check mine frequently but usually is 2-3mV.
Are you seeing this fully charged? and allow the charging to complete & shut off through it's rebalancing routine?
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:44 pm

rogersleaf wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:36 pm
HerdingElectrons wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:04 am
Thinking about what is your typical mV spread in leaf spy? Mine is 12-18mV & perhaps if yours is higher then that may explain since presumably a greater mV spread would indicate less total capacity since the lowest mV cells obfuscates the capacity difference of the higher mV cells.
12-18mV seems like a large spread. I don't check mine frequently but usually is 2-3mV.
Are you seeing this fully charged? and allow the charging to complete & shut off through it's rebalancing routine?
I often see spreads up to 20mV and hardly ever see them under 5mV...so I think he's fine.
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40 kWh Pack (Gen2) installed @115 months/85k miles

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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:45 pm

I charge up to about 70% and usually see a mV spread of 12 to 18. Sounds about the same.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:26 am

Finally charged my 40kWh pack to 100%, so here are some readings:
  • GIDs = 480
  • Pack voltage = 403
  • Ahr = 110
  • Hx = 101
  • SOH = 95
Last edited by Stanton on Sun May 09, 2021 5:19 am, edited 3 times in total.
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12v LiFePO4 battery w/Antigravity Battery Tracker
FIAMM 74100 horns/Wet Okole seat covers/Tor's low-power heater mod/Dala's CAN-bridge
Lizard Pack (Rev E) installed @51 months/41k miles
40 kWh Pack (Gen2) installed @115 months/85k miles

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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:50 am

rogersleaf wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:36 pm
HerdingElectrons wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:04 am
danrjones wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:39 am

How is our AHr the same but different SOH?
The short answer is I have no idea.

Thinking about what is your typical mV spread in leaf spy? Mine is 12-18mV & perhaps if yours is higher then that may explain since presumably a greater mV spread would indicate less total capacity since the lowest mV cells obfuscates the capacity difference of the higher mV cells.
12-18mV seems like a large spread. I don't check mine frequently but usually is 2-3mV.
Are you seeing this fully charged? and allow the charging to complete & shut off through it's rebalancing routine?
Well, that is unusual...
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 19,653 mi, 93.47% SOH
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:21 am

Latest stats for today:

SOH: 87.23
AMPhr: 100.7
Hx: 102.26

10,059 miles

I should be close to my next three month update, if there is one.
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:59 am

danrjones wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:21 am
Latest stats for today:

SOH: 87.23
AMPhr: 100.7
Hx: 102.26

10,059 miles

I should be close to my next three month update, if there is one.
Finished my 3 month update.
It was small, but at least it was up this time.

Sitting at:

SOH: 87.90
AMPHr: 101.47
Hx: 102.33
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Re: The 40KWH Battery Topic

Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:18 pm

Good news indeed.
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