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Re: General EV sales topic

Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:11 am

rmay635703 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:03 pm
In the USA is there any public way to get the number of BEVs licensed for public roads by state?

Ditto for PHEV?

The Only charts are for new + used plug in sales by state
Which seems completely meaningless 10 years in.

Last time we wanted that data in Wisconsin we had to place a freedom of information request and threaten legal action.

The sad part is the number of pure BEVs registered for public roads in Wisconsin has been stagnant for 3 years,
curious what is going on elsewhere.
That info is very easy to get in Minnesota. I guess that varies largely state to state.
I’m not sure how up to date this info is.

Frankly, I feel sales are far more important that total registrations. Sales give you a better idea of where we are going. Registrations give you a picture of where we have been.

https://www.pca.state.mn.us/air/minnesota-ev-dashboard
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Re: General EV sales topic

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:28 am

Hmm, blocked by content filter.

Will need to peruse at home.
Thank you for this site.


I feel the Current registrations is VERY telling if it would be plotted out over time.

When comparing the generic “plug-in sales” metric provided by certain prominent websites we found a very stark reality between it and the actual number of cars “on the road”

The generic “sales” metric Available month to month state to state does not differentiate
New vrs used
PHEV vrs BEV vrs NEV/2wheeler
And as stated is nearly useless 10 years in as it doesn’t tell you how many there really are actively driving on the road

Said site has been used for “cumulative sales 2009-current “ which likewise 10 years on was amusing but completely meaningless Given the lack of granularity.

The next issue is stark differences in use patterns state to state
Wisconsin BEVs travel on average a little under 5000 miles annually as compared to other warmer more developed states.

These metrics are critical in pushing back on punitive Pie in the sky legislation That takes no look about the actual state of the fleet in the area

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Re: General EV sales topic

Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:40 am

rmay635703 wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:28 am
Hmm, blocked by content filter.

Will need to peruse at home.
Thank you for this site.


I feel the Current registrations is VERY telling if it would be plotted out over time.

When comparing the generic “plug-in sales” metric provided by certain prominent websites we found a very stark reality between it and the actual number of cars “on the road”

The generic “sales” metric Available month to month state to state does not differentiate
New vrs used
PHEV vrs BEV vrs NEV/2wheeler
And as stated is nearly useless 10 years in as it doesn’t tell you how many there really are actively driving on the road

Said site has been used for “cumulative sales 2009-current “ which likewise 10 years on was amusing but completely meaningless Given the lack of granularity.

The next issue is stark differences in use patterns state to state
Wisconsin BEVs travel on average a little under 5000 miles annually as compared to other warmer more developed states.

These metrics are critical in pushing back on punitive Pie in the sky legislation That takes no look about the actual state of the fleet in the area
I agree sales data such as you describe is less than useful.
Most sales data I see is broken down by manufacturer, some by model. Most exclude NEVs all together.
Any data source that lumps together NEVs with highway legal vehicles is not one I would trust.
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Re: General EV sales topic

Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:46 pm

The generic “sales” metric Available month to month state to state does not differentiate
New vrs used
Are you sure about that? I know that new BEV sales numbers are available, but can't tell you where at the moment.
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Re: General EV sales topic

Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:16 am

I believe that the "sales number" was new sales only.
Looking up the registered numbers for certain states is not that easy. Closest I was ever able to get for newmexico was an estimate and it was 2 years old at the time.
If the state in question likes to brag about how many electric vehicles they have registered it should be easy to find.
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Re: General EV sales topic

Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:00 pm

GCC:
ACEA map: Affordability of electric cars, correlation between market uptake and GDP in the EU
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... -acea.html

. . .Across the EU, 3.0% of all new cars registered in 2019 were electrically-chargeable (ECVs).

11 EU member states still have an ECV market share lower than 1%, of which seven countries even have an ECV share of 0.5% or lower.

The market uptake of electrically-chargeable vehicles (ECVs) is directly correlated to a country’s GDP per capita, showing that affordability is a major barrier to consumers.

All countries with an ECV market share of less than 1% have a GDP below €30,000, including EU member states in Central and Eastern Europe, but also Italy and Greece.

Almost 80% of all electric car sales are concentrated in just six Western European countries with some of the highest GDPs.

There is a clear split in the affordability of ECVs between Central-Eastern Europe and Western Europe, as well as a pronounced North-South divide running across the continent (eg Greece 0.4% and Italy 0.9%). . . .
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Re: General EV sales topic

Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:03 pm

IEVS:
California: Plug-In Electric Car Sales Down In Q1-Q3 2020
https://insideevs.com/news/453933/calif ... q1q3-2020/

. . . But since the overall market went down, plug-in market share actually improved.
The overall light-vehicle sales in California declined during the first nine months by almost 25% year-over-year to nearly 1.2 million (including 440,054 passenger cars - down 34.4%, and 759,392 light trucks - down 17.3%). Plug-ins are in the red as well.

According to the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA), some 94,756 plug-ins were sold within the state, which is 16.1% less than a year ago. Because the fall is less, plug-in market share improved to 7.9%.

As we can see below, the most affected electrified cars are plug-in hybrids (down 36.8%):

BEVs: 73,166 (market share of 6.1%), down 7.1% from 78,776

PHEVs: 21,590 (market share of 1.8%), down 36.8% from 34,185

Total plug-ins: 94,756 (market share of 7.9%), down 16.1% from 112,961

HEVs: 76,765 (market share of 6.4%), down 2.9% from 79,017

Total xEVs: 171,521 (market share of 14.3%), down 10.7% from 191,978. . . .

Results as was expected. The Bolt was #1 in sales in the subcompact category, which tallies with what I've been seeing. Those great lease deals are having an effect.

The Model 3 and Y also led their categories.
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Re: General EV sales topic

Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:26 am

Also from that article (new vehicle sales in California for Q1-Q3 2020). The Model 2 is a mainstream car.
Year-to-date, the Tesla Model 3 is among the top passenger cars, and #7 including SUV/pickups.

1. Honda Civic - 46,046
2. Toyota RAV4 - 41,715
3. Toyota Camry - 40,466
4. Ford F-Series - 38,260
5. Toyota Corolla - 31,936
6. Tesla Model 3 - 31,548
7. Honda Accord - 31,369
8. Chevrolet Silverado - 31,259
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Re: General EV sales topic

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:41 am

^^^ interesting, I thought the Ford F150 pickup truck was the #1 selling vehicle in N. America? followed by the Toyota Camry? or maybe your list is just for the US, not including Canada? either way it's nice to see the model 3 among that top 10 list :)
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Re: General EV sales topic

Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:31 pm

jjeff wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:41 am
or maybe your list is just for the US, not including Canada?
The list I posted was from the article linked in the post above, which is talking about new vehicle sales in California for Q1-Q3 2020.
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