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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:12 pm

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ADEME selects two Air Liquide hydrogen mobility projects for funding
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... ademe.html

Two hydrogen mobility projects led by Air Liquide—Hype and HyAMMED—were selected in January 2020 by ADEME (French Environment & Energy Management Agency) as part of the second closing of its “Hydrogen Mobility Ecosystems” call for proposals.

Hype is developing the world’s first fleet of hydrogen-powered taxis. Launched during the 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP21) in Paris, it now has around 100 vehicles. The “2020 HYPE 600” project aims to reach the 600-taxi mark by the end of 2020.

Toyota will deliver 500 additional Mirai, which will supplement the existing fleet. At the same time, HysetCo, which includes Air Liquide, Idex, Kouros, the Société du Taxi Électrique Parisien (STEP) and Toyota, will invest in local hydrogen production facilities based on electrolysis, which will make it possible to supply 3 new hydrogen stations (HRS) in addition of those already in operation. . . .

HyAMMED (Hydrogen in Aix-Marseille for an Ecological and Sustainable Mobility) aims to operate hydrogen trucks for long-distance transport of goods in the South-East of France. The partners thus intend to test this heavy transport solution by using low-carbon hydrogen co-produced in the Marseille-Fos port area.

The challenge of this project is to validate the maturity and reliability of this logistics transport solution. It will reduce emissions by more than 2,000 metric tons of CO2 per year, the equivalent of the annual emissions of more than 700 sedan cars. . . .

According to the Ministry of Ecological and Solidarity Transition, all of the projects selected by ADEME will lead to the deployment of more than 43 hydrogen stations and 158 heavy duty vehicles.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:26 pm

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Trillium orders 1 MW containerized PEM electrolyzer from Nel for fuel cell bus fleet in Illinois
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 2-nel.html

. . . Trillium will produce green hydrogen for a fleet of up to 12 fuel cell electric buses at the Champaign-Urbana Mass Transit District (MTD).

The contract for equipment and associated services has a value of approximately US$2.2 million, and the electrolyzer will be delivered late 2020. The project is supported by the Federal Transit Administration and the State of Illinois.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:28 pm

Trillium owns the CNG stations at the truck stop I occasionally buy gasoline at.
Last time I was there they were selling CNG for $1.40 a gallon of diesel equivalent.
I do say a electrolysis rig is a spectacular way to waste 20Mw and OPM.
Where I work runs at about 20 to 24 Mw continuously, we have our own transmission station and sub station with dedicated 15 mile long 250kv line inbetween.
16 years ago that infrastructure cost around 10 million dollars.
It's a shame that OPM isn't being used in a more meaningful way such as electric buses that don't require infrastructure be built and technology that doesn't exist.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:02 pm

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DEME and partners developing HYPORT DUQM, a large-scale green hydrogen project in Oman
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -deme.html


. . . The facility will significantly contribute to the decarbonization of the regional chemical industry in Oman, as well as providing green hydrogen and/or derivatives (such as green methanol or ammonia) to international customers in Europe, for example in the Port of Antwerp.

The first phase of the project will comprise an in-depth feasibility study—coordinated by the global consulting firm Roland Berger—to determine customer offtake choices, technology options, electricity feed-in options, hydrogen (derivatives) shipping options and to define the concept and scope of the commercial scale demonstration project. The envisaged electrolyzer capacity for a first phase is estimated between 250 and 500 MW.

The feasibility phase will be followed by the detailed design and engineering, further project development and finalization of offtake routes and financing. A Final Investment Decision for the commercial scale demonstration project is expected during 2021.

The advantage of the location in Duqm is the availability of inexpensive renewable energy (solar and wind), as well as large, accessible sites (on- and off-shore). . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:18 pm

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Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field (FH2R) completed in Japan; aiming for low-cost green hydrogen production; P2G
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -fh2r.html

Japan’s New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization (NEDO), Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions Corporation (Toshiba ESS), Tohoku Electric Power Co., Inc., and Iwatani Corporation announced that Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field (FH2R), which had been under construction in Namie town, Fukushima Prefecture since 2018, has been constructed with a solar-energy-powered 10MW-class hydrogen production unit, the largest in the world, at the end of February.

The FH2R can produce as much as 1,200 Nm3 of hydrogen per hour (rated power operation) using renewable energy. Renewable energy output is subject to large fluctuations, so FH2R will adjust to supply and demand in the power grid in order to maximize utilization of this energy while establishing low-cost, Green hydrogen production technology.Hydrogen produced at FH2R will also be used to power stationary hydrogen fuel cell systems and to provide for the mobility devices, fuel cell cars and buses, and more. . . .

FH2R. FH2R uses 20MW of solar power generation facilities on a 180,000m2 site along with power from the grid to conduct electrolysis of water in a renewable energy-powered 10MW-class hydrogen production unit. It has the capacity to produce, store, and supply up to 1,200 Nm3 of hydrogen per hour (rated power operation).

Hydrogen is produced and stored based on the hydrogen demand and supply forecasting system’s forecasts for hydrogen demand in the market. Adjustments to balance supply and demand in the power grid can be made by adjusting the hydrogen volume produced by the hydrogen production unit to meet the power grid adjustment needs of the power grid control system.

The most important challenge in the current stage of testing is to use the hydrogen energy management system to achieve the optimal combination of production and storage of hydrogen and power grid supply-demand balancing adjustments, without the use of storage batteries.

To address this challenge, testing will begin to identify the optimal operation control technology that combines power grid demand response with hydrogen supply and demand response, using units of equipment that each have their own different operating cycles.

Hydrogen produced at FH2R will mainly be transported in Hydrogen tube trailers and hydrogen bundles, to be supplied to users in Fukushima Prefecture, the Tokyo Metropolitan Area, and other regions. . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am

GRA wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:18 pm
GCC:
Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field (FH2R) completed in Japan; aiming for low-cost green hydrogen production; P2G
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -fh2r.html

Japan’s New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization (NEDO), Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions Corporation (Toshiba ESS), Tohoku Electric Power Co., Inc., and Iwatani Corporation announced that Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field (FH2R), which had been under construction in Namie town, Fukushima Prefecture since 2018, has been constructed with a solar-energy-powered 10MW-class hydrogen production unit, the largest in the world, at the end of February.

The FH2R can produce as much as 1,200 Nm3 of hydrogen per hour (rated power operation) using renewable energy. Renewable energy output is subject to large fluctuations, so FH2R will adjust to supply and demand in the power grid in order to maximize utilization of this energy while establishing low-cost, Green hydrogen production technology.Hydrogen produced at FH2R will also be used to power stationary hydrogen fuel cell systems and to provide for the mobility devices, fuel cell cars and buses, and more. . . .

FH2R. FH2R uses 20MW of solar power generation facilities on a 180,000m2 site along with power from the grid to conduct electrolysis of water in a renewable energy-powered 10MW-class hydrogen production unit. It has the capacity to produce, store, and supply up to 1,200 Nm3 of hydrogen per hour (rated power operation).

Hydrogen is produced and stored based on the hydrogen demand and supply forecasting system’s forecasts for hydrogen demand in the market. Adjustments to balance supply and demand in the power grid can be made by adjusting the hydrogen volume produced by the hydrogen production unit to meet the power grid adjustment needs of the power grid control system.

The most important challenge in the current stage of testing is to use the hydrogen energy management system to achieve the optimal combination of production and storage of hydrogen and power grid supply-demand balancing adjustments, without the use of storage batteries.

To address this challenge, testing will begin to identify the optimal operation control technology that combines power grid demand response with hydrogen supply and demand response, using units of equipment that each have their own different operating cycles.

Hydrogen produced at FH2R will mainly be transported in Hydrogen tube trailers and hydrogen bundles, to be supplied to users in Fukushima Prefecture, the Tokyo Metropolitan Area, and other regions. . . .
The japanese aversion to batteries in utility scale energy storage just boggles the mind! Toshiba makes the Li-titinate cells that went into the Honda Fit-EV, which has excellent power-density and cycle-life. But instead of using Li-titinate cells to buffer the 20MW solar power plant, they're going to consume their own hydrogen in a fuel cell ... to produce fractionally more hydrogen?!?! More H2 would've been consumed in the buffering than would've been produced from that time period, yielding a net negative H2 production rate!! talk about being blinded by ones beliefs!

whatever, at least they're producing renewable H2. now they just need to open their eyes to the cost of that infrastructure.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:41 am

I don't care for grid batteries because we got cars and trucks that need them first. But the Japanese are really making the case for grid batteries.
A battery would make more sense then doing that.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:03 pm

Again a business for profit would not do this. But this is OPM. Insane.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm

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European Commission announces Clean Hydrogen Alliance
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 11-ec.html

The European Commission (EC) presented a broad new European Industrial Strategy to help Europe’s industry lead the transition towards climate neutrality and digital leadership. The Strategy sets out the key drivers of Europe’s industrial transformation and proposes a comprehensive set of future actions, including a Clean Hydrogen Alliance to accelerate the decarbonization of industry and maintain industrial leadership. . . .

The Alliance will bring investors together with governmental, institutional and industrial partners, building on the successful template of existing industrial alliances, and on the work done within the framework of the FCH JU. . . .

The European Fuel Cells and Hydrogen Joint Undertaking (FCH JU) is a public-private partnership supporting research, technological development and demonstration (RTD) activities in fuel cell and hydrogen energy technologies in Europe. Its aim is to accelerate the market introduction of these technologies, realizing their potential as an instrument in achieving a carbon-clean energy system.

The three members of the FCH JU are the European Commission, fuel cell and hydrogen industries represented by Hydrogen Europe and the research community represented by Hydrogen Europe Research.

Intermountain Power Agency orders MHPS JAC Gas Turbine technology for renewable-hydrogen energy hub, operated by LA DWP
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... -mhps.html
The Intermountain Power Agency (IPA) has awarded Mitsubishi Hitachi Power Systems (MHPS) a contract for two M501JAC power trains for the Intermountain Power Plant (IPP) in Delta, Utah.

This award marks the first Advanced Class Gas Turbines in the industry specifically designed and purchased as part of a comprehensive plan to sequentially transition from coal, to natural gas and finally to renewable hydrogen fuel, and creates a roadmap for the global industry to follow.

This transition will start in 2025, when the turbines will be commercially guaranteed capable of using a mix of 30% hydrogen and 70% natural gas fuel. This fuel mixture will reduce carbon emissions by more than 75% compared to the retiring coal-fired technology. Between 2025 and 2045, the hydrogen capability will be systematically increased to 100% renewable hydrogen, enabling carbon-free utility-scale power generation.

The renewed generation facility will be owned by IPA and operated by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP). It will provide 840 MW of reliable energy to the IPA purchasers it serves, including Los Angeles and municipalities in other parts of California and Utah. The power plant is connected to the Los Angeles power grid by an existing high-voltage direct-current (HVDC) transmission line. . . .

The selection of the new M501JAC power trains expands the MHPS footprint in Millard County, Utah. In May of 2019, MHPS partnered with Magnum Development to announce plans to develop the Advanced Clean Energy Storage (ACES) project adjacent to IPP.

The ACES project will use renewable power to produce hydrogen through electrolysis. The hydrogen will be stored in an underground salt dome at the site, using technology that has been in operation for the past 30 years to supply hydrogen to US refineries in the Gulf Coast of the United States. . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:33 am

Seems they neglected to mention how the "renewable hydrogen" will be made.
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