ddansb01
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New 2020 Leaf SV 40kwh with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:13 pm

New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather Packages

This would be my first EV after many years of driving minivans. I will keep the 2018 Odyssey for the 750 mile trips to visit grand kids.

Middle Tennessee weather is fairly mild, compared to other places I have lived (Buffalo & Dallas).

My wife & and I would use the Leaf for local errands, usually around 20 miles round trip with lots of small hills. Average one trip per day.

We did a test drive of 2021 and really liked the ease of entry and exit for our older bodies. We don't really need another vehicle, but want the EV experience.

Charging would be at home where electric is $0.084 per KWH.

Autotrader shows a few 2020 new leftovers in a 200 mile radius that look like a good value for me. We would qualify for the full $7500 rebate.

Are there any significant drawbacks to a new 2020 leftover in my situation? Other advice and suggestions welcome.

Don

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:18 pm

Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "kw".

The $7500 is a Federal tax credit. Make sure you have at least that much in Federal tax liability for the tax year when you plan to buy.

How much are we talking about? Make sure you don't overpay. https://electrek.co/best-electric-vehicle-prices/ might be helpful.

40 kWh Leaf's range will not be a problem for your use cases.

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:49 pm

There’s a dealer that sells manufacture vehicles that qualify for the $7,500 rebate. Here’s a 2019 SL for about $24,000 and it qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p8kc300112


Here’s a 2020 SL Plus for $29,400 that qualifies. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p9lc300317

They will ship to you.
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:59 pm

Drawbacks for the 2020 model year:

* The warning sounds it makes are louder and more aggressive than earlier versions.

* Unlike the 2018 I drive, the 2020 will not allow Recirculate to be engaged when the ventilation is set to Floor + Defrost. We have a 2020 SV+ as well, and I'm irritated at this.
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:44 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:59 pm
Drawbacks for the 2020 model year:

* The warning sounds it makes are louder and more aggressive than earlier versions.

* Unlike the 2018 I drive, the 2020 will not allow Recirculate to be engaged when the ventilation is set to Floor + Defrost. We have a 2020 SV+ as well, and I'm irritated at this.
I had a 2019 SL+ and now have a 2020 SL+.

Warning sounds are more aggressive in the 2020. The artificial drive noise below 20 mph is annoying but LeafSpy can disable it.

The warning sounds where there is something in your path when backing up is aggressive but functional.

Living in Florida not being able to select recirculate with the Floor +Defrost isn’t a problem.

If I would have found a 2019 with tax credit to replace my 2019 SL+ I would have jumped on it. We were able to pick up our 2020 by adding $6,000 to the insurance check for our totaled 2019. So after the $7,500 tax credit we are $1,500 ahead.
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:59 pm

I's one of those no-win situations. If you get a 2019 SV+, as we could have done for over $1k less, you don't get Around View.
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:32 pm

You sound like an ideal candidate for a LEAF.

To help with your understanding of kW vs kWh, an analogy might be useful...

A kW is analogous to the rate of flow of water moving through a pipe thats filling the reservoir behind a hydro electric dam. So, in that case, units would be gallons per minute (or liters per minute)...

A kWh is analogous to the amount of water stored behind the dam. So, in that case, units would be gallons (or liters). This represents potential energy, as does kWh for a battery pack.
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:06 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:59 pm
Drawbacks for the 2020 model year:

* The warning sounds it makes are louder and more aggressive than earlier versions.
You mean the VPS for Reverse and Forward? Technically, those can be disabled without dealer help :D
* Unlike the 2018 I drive, the 2020 will not allow Recirculate to be engaged when the ventilation is set to Floor + Defrost. We have a 2020 SV+ as well, and I'm irritated at this.
Are you sure? I just tried it on my 2020 SL Plus and while it will turn it off when you switch to the mode, you can still turn recirculate back on afterwards by just pressing the button and it stays on recirculate. I actually found it to be a nice feature coming from my old 2013 SV. It would be weird that it only works in the SL trim and not the other S or SV trim?
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:18 pm

If you mean, brand new, you will be of course eating the new car cost and the loss of value just driving off the lot. You would get the $7500 tax rebate, but if you don't owe enough in taxes next year, it won't benefit you much. You would basically just want to skip the tax withholding for the year to pocket the extra cash and hope you rack up enough for the $7500 to eat into it for tax time next year. If you don't want to mess with any of that, look for either Repo or Lease expiration deals where someone has already eaten the new car cost for you and get a gently used 2020 for nearly half the price of new one that will still have tons of warranty left-over. I might live near you since I am also a Middle TN native, maybe I can help you check out any models you want to purchase, at least on the technical/mechanical level should you decide to go the used Leaf route. :)
ddansb01 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:13 pm
New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather Packages

This would be my first EV after many years of driving minivans. I will keep the 2018 Odyssey for the 750 mile trips to visit grand kids.

Middle Tennessee weather is fairly mild, compared to other places I have lived (Buffalo & Dallas).

My wife & and I would use the Leaf for local errands, usually around 20 miles round trip with lots of small hills. Average one trip per day.

We did a test drive of 2021 and really liked the ease of entry and exit for our older bodies. We don't really need another vehicle, but want the EV experience.

Charging would be at home where electric is $0.084 per KWH.

Autotrader shows a few 2020 new leftovers in a 200 mile radius that look like a good value for me. We would qualify for the full $7500 rebate.

Are there any significant drawbacks to a new 2020 leftover in my situation? Other advice and suggestions welcome.

Don
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2013 Leaf SV (8 faithful years of service before trade in at 75,679 miles)

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:20 pm

You mean the VPS for Reverse and Forward? Technically, those can be disabled without dealer help
Someone else here checked it and it didn't work for them, either. I'm thinking early and late revision software on the recirculate issue - with the later version being the bad one. There was a thread here a while back about someone not being able to turn off the weird sonar-like reverse VSP. We don't care enough about it to try.
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