Flyct
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:20 pm
You mean the VPS for Reverse and Forward? Technically, those can be disabled without dealer help
Someone else here checked it and it didn't work for them, either. I'm thinking early and late revision software on the recirculate issue - with the later version being the bad one. There was a thread here a while back about someone not being able to turn off the weird sonar-like reverse VSP. We don't care enough about it to try.
I can confirm that Forward VSP can be disabled with LeafSpy Pro on a late model 2020 SL+. Initially I thought it wasn’t capable but realized I had the lite version of LeafSpy loaded by mistake. Once I loaded the Pro version the VSP modification selection was active.

I’ll check for the recirculate issue later today and report back.
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ddansb01
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:27 am

Flyct wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:49 pm
There’s a dealer that sells manufacture vehicles that qualify for the $7,500 rebate. Here’s a 2019 SL for about $24,000 and it qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p8kc300112


Here’s a 2020 SL Plus for $29,400 that qualifies. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p9lc300317

They will ship to you.

What a great forum! Thumbs up to every one that contributed all this amazing knowledge of the Leaf EV.

Flyct,
What an interesting avenue to a good deal. I had access to GM used executive cars at one time in my career and they were a great deal.

The 2 you mentioned are under 5k miles and very reasonably priced. How did you find them?

The Pre-Owned 2019 Nissan LEAF SL at $24,000 from Walser in Minnesota checks a lot of my boxes. And it still has the 7500 Federal tax credit making it about 16,500 before shipping to Tennessee. Would battery degradation be a concern after 2 years, but low mileage?

2020 and 2021 did not have a 40Kwh SL model. This 2019 SL has the Technology package.

A telescoping steering wheel seems to be an area of confusion, Consumer Reports and some Youtube videos say it does not, but the 20 and 21 brochures say it does. The 2019 brochure shows only "Tilt steering column" .

Don

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:28 pm

ddansb01 wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:27 am
The Pre-Owned 2019 Nissan LEAF SL at $24,000 from Walser in Minnesota checks a lot of my boxes. And it still has the 7500 Federal tax credit making it about 16,500 before shipping to Tennessee. Would battery degradation be a concern after 2 years, but low mileage?
In Minnesota with the colder climate, probably not at all. If anything, unless the previous owner abused it, the battery should be in excellent condition. Age and taking care of the battery seem to affect the range more than mileage. :D
2020 and 2021 did not have a 40Kwh SL model. This 2019 SL has the Technology package.

A telescoping steering wheel seems to be an area of confusion, Consumer Reports and some Youtube videos say it does not, but the 20 and 21 brochures say it does. The 2019 brochure shows only "Tilt steering column" .

Don
Short of someone else having the same trim and packages to let you know, it would be difficult to tell just because of the confusion of information on a lot of the review sites. :(
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GiantTortoise
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:38 pm

ddansb01 wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:27 am

What a great forum! Thumbs up to every one that contributed all this amazing knowledge of the Leaf EV.

Flyct,
What an interesting avenue to a good deal. I had access to GM used executive cars at one time in my career and they were a great deal.

The 2 you mentioned are under 5k miles and very reasonably priced. How did you find them?

The Pre-Owned 2019 Nissan LEAF SL at $24,000 from Walser in Minnesota checks a lot of my boxes. And it still has the 7500 Federal tax credit making it about 16,500 before shipping to Tennessee. Would battery degradation be a concern after 2 years, but low mileage?

2020 and 2021 did not have a 40Kwh SL model. This 2019 SL has the Technology package.

A telescoping steering wheel seems to be an area of confusion, Consumer Reports and some Youtube videos say it does not, but the 20 and 21 brochures say it does. The 2019 brochure shows only "Tilt steering column" .

Don
I almost bought a Leaf from Walser in Minnesota a while back. They were great to deal with, and actually knew stuff about Leafs which was great. I ended up going a different route, but it was close. Price they are offering now for the SL+ is about 2k better than when I purchased a year ago.

Re: The steering wheel, the Leaf added a telescoping steering wheel for 2020. 2019 only tilts, 2020 and 2021 tilt and telescope.

jjeff
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:50 pm

ddansb01 wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:27 am
The Pre-Owned 2019 Nissan LEAF SL at $24,000 from Walser in Minnesota checks a lot of my boxes. And it still has the 7500 Federal tax credit making it about 16,500 before shipping to Tennessee. Would battery degradation be a concern after 2 years, but low mileage?
MN is a pretty cool climate so unless the original owner let it sit plugged in at 100% for weeks on end, you should be OK. Walser is also a pretty decent dealer, it's where I purchased my '12SL and they were straightforward. Unfortunately, it was originally from So Cal and I believe the original owner let it sit at 100% for weeks on end but then it was 4 years old, had poor battery chemistry, and had only 10 bars, at least it was cheap. Do you know if the vehicle was originally from MN? Walser gets Leafs from all around the states so even though it's for sale in MN doesn't mean it was driven here. Carfax will give you where it was originally sold and serviced. I saw a carfax listing on Walsers site for this Leaf but doesn't give any information about where it was sold or where it's first 2k miles were......
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farflung
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:55 pm

Flyct wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:49 pm
There’s a dealer that sells manufacture vehicles that qualify for the $7,500 rebate. Here’s a 2019 SL for about $24,000 and it qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p8kc300112


Here’s a 2020 SL Plus for $29,400 that qualifies. https://www.walsernissanwayzata.com/inv ... p9lc300317

They will ship to you.
How are they able to sell used vehicles that still qualify for the $7500 rebate?

goldbrick
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:08 pm

Good question! I think it has something do with the cars were 'fleet' vehicles and never claimed the credit. Someone here went through this already so maybe they will chime in with the answer.

farflung
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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:10 pm

This thread piqued my curiosity so I did a little research. Called Walsers and googled the VIN. I even talked to the IRS and and HR block to find out if the vehicle would actually qualify for the 7500 tax credit. That car is a great deal (even with shipping to WA) if it indeed qualifies for the credit, but a pretty lousy deal if not considering there are new 2020s that are being pretty deeply discounted right now where I live.

Walsers stated that the Leaf has never been titled/registered, so it would still qualify for the tax credit even though it's used. They said it was basically owned and driven by the factory/Nissan corporation, and that's why there's no Carfax record of it prior to Feb 2021. He said that he even had the MSO paperwork that "proved" it was never titled, and that the dealership would guarantee that the vehicle is eligible. Searching the VIN showed it was auctioned in Tennessee that month.

The IRS lady was nice but couldn't provide any info--she recommended I ask a CPA. The local H&R Block office did a little research and told me that unless the vehicle is "new" it won't qualify. So I've got conflicting stories.

Anybody have any experience with this? I'd love to hear it!

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:49 pm

To be clear, there is a $7500 Federal tax credit (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml). It's not a rebate.

I'm not accountant but the difference between and tax credit vs. rebate at https://www.marketplace.org/2009/03/05/ ... ax-rebate/ (which I quickly found via a Google search) seems to also apply to this Federal tax credit. If your Federal tax liability for the given tax year is below $7500, then the max benefit you can receive is your Federal tax liability.

Also, can the OP fix the title to indicate 40 kWh instead of "40kw"?

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Re: New 2020 Leaf SV 40kw with Technology & All-Weather

Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:07 am

farflung wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:10 pm
Walsers stated that the Leaf has never been titled/registered, so it would still qualify for the tax credit even though it's used. They said it was basically owned and driven by the factory/Nissan corporation, and that's why there's no Carfax record of it prior to Feb 2021. He said that he even had the MSO paperwork that "proved" it was never titled, and that the dealership would guarantee that the vehicle is eligible. Searching the VIN showed it was auctioned in Tennessee that month.
Not a tax accountant, but it has never been titled, so there would be no technical reason the IRS would deny the claim. It was sold at auction by the manufacturer (Nissan), meaning it was used as a demo or show car, or maybe used by exec on campus (but never sold to anyone or given to an owner).

The wording of the credit text says the “ original use of the vehicle commences” with the taxpayer claiming the credit. That’s kinda nebulous, I guess...would be up to the taxpayers conscience to decide if they thought the vehicle’s original use started with them. I could see it both ways.

I’d think the vehicle has no chance of causing any red flags with IRS, but, I think if you’re worried about it, stay away, otherwise you will always be worried after claiming the credit. You can find similar deals elsewhere (ie similar used ones that are $7,000 less that don’t qualify for credit).

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