Rafaelcp09
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Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:57 am

On my original post I mentioned about temperatures here in sunny Puerto Rico; metro case around 90-100° summer time (road). Only will like to know from you guys which lives in hot areas, your real range. I had been seen You Tube videos ranging from 178-210. And on Alex on Autos he did 223. That will be my deciding point to import one or buying a DYI Powerwall and buying an eNiro or Kona ev (due to range), since charging infrastructure here in PR is prehistoric. No Dc Fast Charging (only 7.2k), and only one Tesla Supercharger. So all your comments will be appreciated.

Thanks
Rafael

HerdingElectrons
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 am

What is your speed on the highway/freeway?

What's your speed in town/city streets & in neighborhoods?

How congested are the roads where you live?

When you run A/C what temp do you typically set it to?

A better question may be what is your miles/kWh consumption

I have a 40kWh SL & in the warmer weather driving 60mph on the freeway using ProPilot & about 60% of my miles are in town around 35-40mph I typically get 4.3-4.8 miles/kWh

The people getting 178 on a full charge are likely either in cold/colder weather & also likely driving at higher freeway speeds like 70-80mph & the majority of the trip is at that speed.
2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.9 Warm/Cold weather

09/18, 01K mi: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70%
04/19, 10K mi: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82%
11/19, 20K mi: Ahr= 107.44 / SOH= 93.07 / HX= 109.96%

lorenfb
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:59 am

HerdingElectrons wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 am
What is your speed on the highway/freeway?

What's your speed in town/city streets & in neighborhoods?

How congested are the roads where you live?

When you run A/C what temp do you typically set it to?

A better question may be what is your miles/kWh consumption

I have a 40kWh SL & in the warmer weather driving 60mph on the freeway using ProPilot & about 60% of my miles are in town around 35-40mph I typically get 4.3-4.8 miles/kWh

The people getting 178 on a full charge are likely either in cold/colder weather & also likely driving at higher freeway speeds like 70-80mph & the majority of the trip is at that speed.
Good response! Most that ask the range question, fail to consider/understand how range is affected. Without answering your questions,
a range number is meaningless. My two Leafs typically provide about 5 miles/kWh, but I rarely exceed 60 mph, rarely use A/C or heat,
and always in B-Mode.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

Rafaelcp09
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:01 pm

Didn't mention that I was thinking on a 62kwh. Sorry!
Ok, Highway/freeway 55-65 mph, anything above that is illegal here.
-Town/city back road 25-40mph, neighborhood 5-10 mph.
-Metro area is a mess, traffic jams everywhere.
-Currently I have an ICE, and put a/c about 15-20 minutes prior leaving house.
-My conmute mostly 25-30% town driving, about 25% city back road and rest on highway.
-Weekend trip are 70% highway, 30% city back roads, depending on the choosen route.
My biggest concern is charge infrastructure, is prehistoric, only L2 7.2kwh, no DC Fast Chargers, and only one Tesla 72kwh in PR.
Concern is in a weekend trip arriving on 90% with 180-195 miles and having 10% 15-25 miles and having to wait three hours in a 7.2k (28-30 miles/hour) charger to have enough juice for the way back.
Or maybe stop to munch something and juice one hour to avoid the three hours.
My original idea (stated in my original first post) was to use it as a back up battery to juice the house in an emergency event using a wallbox Quasar bidirectional charger and juicing the leaf every three, four days with a 8,000w-10,000w generator instead putting solar panels, since PR is in direct route of hurracanes.
Other alternative is checking ebay, Alibaba for a decent DIY powerwall and decide for eNiro or Kona ev.
Any other idea, alternative, or comment will be appreciated.

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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:45 pm

I think that if you didn't have a regular trip with range issues, it would be a fine idea. Given that trip, however, you may want to look at PHEVs with bigger batteries (Like maybe a used Volt) that can power some emergency appliances for longer terms, after a battery bank has been depleted. Yes, I know: using a 62kwh leaf is so much simpler, but it sounds like you would hate taking that long trip regularly...
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:17 pm

The weekend trip mileage is that round trip & is there any appreciable stopping time between going & coming back? Meaning are you visiting a friend or relative & could you potentially charge for 1-3+ hours while visiting & just reimburse said person for the power consumed?

The speeds you are talking about in context with the presumably year round weather should have you easily getting 210=240 miles of range on a full charge if not more if you go slower on the freeway to compensate & ProPilot makes all of that easier
2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.9 Warm/Cold weather

09/18, 01K mi: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70%
04/19, 10K mi: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82%
11/19, 20K mi: Ahr= 107.44 / SOH= 93.07 / HX= 109.96%

Rafaelcp09
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:38 am

Leftiebiker

Thanks for your comments, appreciated. Un the case of the Volt, last year thar was my first choice since I'ml have 50+ miles electric and about 45mpg on weekend trips. Problem is that I will have to connect an Inverter (no more than 400-500w) to the 12v battery, and only power fridge and couple of fans in case of an emergency event. With the Leaf and the bi-charger I can power the whole house since as you may know, Chademo is actually the only platform that handle bidirectional, and stated before, juicing the car every three or four days with the gen. That's to avoid using the gen twice day for 5-6 hours per session, like happenned to whole PR when hurricane Maria pass thru us, and let us 99% off.

Rafaelcp09
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am

Herdingelectrons

Appreciated your comments. Now and them weekend trips are only for getting the hell out of the house, to blow out week steam. So might be that stopping to munch something and going to restroom for about one hour at mid trip will have to be consider.

I can handle 60 instead of 65mph, sometimes also I go back of a truck and get benefited with his draft.

Rafaelcp09
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:57 am

One question; Leaf does't have ways to control the regenerative braking like other brands, is only using e-pedal and brake pedal?

Levenkay
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Re: Real range of Leaf SL

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:12 am

Rafaelcp09 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:57 am
One question; Leaf does't have ways to control the regenerative braking like other brands, is only using e-pedal and brake pedal?
Taking the risk of assuming my preferences are typical of most, I'm going to say that regeneration is a Sam Gompers issue. The correct amount of regeneration is "more". In any particular driving situation, when you want less-than-maximum deceleration, just feather the e-pedal a smidge.

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