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jlv
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:36 am

Learjet wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:31 am
WOW! from a moderator?
FWIW, my role as a moderator here is to just deal with spam and approving initial posts from new members. Any postings I make and the opinions I write are my own and do not reflect MNL at all.


(Also, I made that post and then thought I deleted it shortly thereafter. I realized I didn't add anything of value to the conversation. I find I delete about 20% of the postings I make lately. While I messed up initially deleting my comment, I'm going to leave it now as you've quoted it).
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:54 am

Learjet wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:31 am
jlv wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:58 am
TBL wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:21 pm
I do want to preserve battery life, but at the same time, I just want a car that works when I need it to.
It's a bit frustrating to think that I cannot just get home, plug it in, and unplug to use the next morning.
You bought the wrong brand of EV to leave fully charged in the hot TN summer climate.
WOW! from a moderator?
JLV is a Tesla fanboy. Yes, still a moderator, and I can be appreciative of his service as a moderator.

Many of the early LEAF owners were looking for a wonder car, a sports car, which the LEAF isn't. Being disappointed, they moved on to Tesla. They still come here to rage against the LEAF. Tesla has it's own list of failings.

Nissan took a lot of risk bringing out the LEAF, some of which has proved foolish. The early batteries were very disappointing. They totally misunderstood who would buy the LEAF, and why. They totally messed up marketing and customer education. Yet the LEAF is a good car in many ways. The first volume production electric car since the 1930's.
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:36 am

WetEV wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:54 am
JLV is a Tesla owner.
FTFY.

Tesla let me go all EV. We have no ICE cars anymore (*). I tried to make it work with just the Model S and the LEAF, but my wife wasn't happy. Now we have 2 BEVs that permit us the same travel freedom as when we had 2 ICEVs.


(*) technically the CRV is still registered to us, but our daughter has it at college (which technically is now happening at home, but I digress)
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:57 am

jlv wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:36 am
Tesla let me go all EV. We have no ICE cars anymore (*). I tried to make it work with just the Model S and the LEAF, but my wife wasn't happy. Now we have 2 BEVs that permit us the same travel freedom as when we had 2 ICEVs.
I'm all EV as well, with the e-tron. Works for us, and doesn't have the flaming flaws of the Tesla X.
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:40 am

I actually agree with jlv about the Leaf being the wrong car (and since Nissan only sells one EV in the US, the wrong brand) to use in a hot climate. A Bolt would have been a better choice. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on Tesla - especially the Model 3. In another year we should know if it's a good car in ways other than specs.
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:42 am

TBL wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:21 pm
...I do want to preserve battery life, but at the same time, I just want a car that works when I need it to.
It's a bit frustrating to think that I cannot just get home, plug it in, and unplug to use the next morning....
Well of course you certainly can do that. Given the initial horrible battery results from the first few years' production, there's a lingering perception here that you will have a dreadful time if you do not jump through hoops to play nursemaid to the battery. While the suggestions do extend battery life to some degree the effect isn't nearly as profound as it initially was. It's up to you to find your desired balance between longevity and utility. For my 2015 I almost always charge to 100%. My one concession for the first couple of years was to set the end-timer to finish shortly before I need the car in the morning. But now quite often I'll override the timer just to have a full charge in case I need it. Purchased in Oct 2014 and still has 12 bars. Probably would have less degradation if I was more careful but I had enough of that with the 2012 that degraded markedly over the 3-year lease despite religious 80% charging.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:06 pm

The myopic conversation about the (2018 and up) Leaf as compared to other EVs, fails to address its exceptional value. I paid $16,350 for my 2018 Leaf S ($33,350 MSRP). A few months back I upgraded to a 2019 Leaf SV Plus. I paid $22,435 (MSRP $40,435). Right now, no other EV offers the value of a Leaf. Soon, I will sell my 2018 Leaf S for $18,500 - $19,500 which is $2-3,000 more than I paid . . . two years ago! Most of us don't keep cars for 20 years and with EV technology changing so rapidly, it's likely that the early adopters will be upgrading before long. Don't obsess about battery technology! As an early adopter, you will upgrade long before it is an issue.
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:15 pm

Don't obsess about battery technology! As an early adopter, you will upgrade long before it is an issue.
Try to imagine saying that to the new owner of a new 2012 Leaf, and you may begin to understand the obsession with the Leaf batteries. There is something to be said about not worrying (much) in the case of the 2018+ Leaf, though. I pampered mine, and I'm still going to turn it in because the battery seems to be degrading too fast to make it worth buying.

Which reminds me: it's time for me to do my 6 month LeafSpy check.
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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:20 pm

mkwilkes wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:06 pm
A few months back I upgraded to a 2019 Leaf SV Plus. I paid $22,435 (MSRP $40,435).
Can you break down the rebates, etc you got? I have a 2017 S and I'm tempted to get a SV Leaf + but I'm not much of a negotiator so I'm curious about how you achieved that price. I could probably sell my 2017 for a tad more than I paid for it but the new prices here in CO are so low that the used prices are being driven down as well.

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Re: New Owner, first EV, Looking for general suggestions

Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:43 am

I just grabbed the papers out of my file to refresh my memory. I paid slightly less than I said.

2019 Graphite SV Plus: MSRP $40,375
Manufacturer options:
Protection Package, kick plates, splash guards, carpeted floor mats and cargo area mat, cargo cover, cargo net.
Incentives and Discounts: $18,000
$5,500 Nissan discount
$7,500 Federal tax credit
$2,500 Oregon EV rebate
$2,500 Regional electric utility rebate (Portland General Electric)

Net price: $22,375

Of course, the net price doesn't include license and title which varies by region. Oregon has no sales tax. You will have to wait until you file your taxes to get the Federal tax credit. One last thing . . . Using dealer websites and confirming phone calls, know the car you want and the price you will pay BEFORE you arrive at the dealer. DO NOT trade in a car. That is the best way to lose an advertised deal. No negotiating is necessary!
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