henrydehoja
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Leaf Number: 317129
Location: Metro Boston, MA

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:50 pm

MaineEV wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:02 am
I will be driving it 75 miles per day round trip with 80% highway driving. I drive like a gramps on the turnpike and usually don't go above 68/70 MPH.
That sounds like my work commute around the metro Boston area, when I head to the office a few times a week. With morning/evening traffic, that commute takes me about 45 minutes in the morning and 1 hour in the evening. Here is my experience over the years with my 2018 Leaf S, which I park at work in an outdoor lot, then store at home in the garage:
* Starting at 100% charge, if I do not use the A/C or heat (including heated seats/steering wheel) during my entire commute time -- this is typically during the Spring or Fall -- then after 2 days of driving, I end up with about 10% charge left.
* Starting at 100% charge, at temperatures 20 - 30 deg F, if I use the heat (including heated steering wheel, but not heated seats) during my entire commute time -- this is typically during the Winter -- then after 1 day of driving, I end up with about 50% charge left.
* Starting at 100% charge, if I use the A/C during my entire commute time -- this is typically during the Summer -- then after 1 day of driving, I end up with over 50% charge left.

However, sometimes I turn the heat or A/C OFF during my commute to save power, and because I feel comfortable enough w/o them. I find that the heated steering wheel is enough at times; I don't use the heated seats because they don't help me.

This recent winter has been mild around here, so I do not have more info for temperatures below 20 deg F.
2018 Nissan Leaf S w/QC
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powersurge
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Delivery Date: 06 Dec 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:21 am

I really have to speak up here.

Everybody is giving "ideal" situation advice, and I do not agree. And idealized recommendations are away just that. Idealized.

A 2020 Leaf has a 40kwh battery.

I have an "S" version Leaf with at 24 kwh battery on my car and EASILY drive 50 mile round trips daily, year round. A 40 kwh car can easily drive a 75 mile round trip. No, you do not NEED the SV, SL version just because it has a "heat pump".... Especially if getting the heat pump will add $3-$5000 on the increased trim level....

My short answer to the original poster is YES, you can get the 2020 S version Leaf, no problem. And save thousands... If you wanted to upgrade, the only choice I would consider is getting the "S" PLUS version with the bigger battery. THAT is a good upgrade. Don't worry about the fabled "heat pump".

Phatcat73
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Leaf Number: 401511
Location: Buffalo Grove, Il

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:52 am

$10k in rebates on 259 mile Chevy Bolts with a solid battery management system.
2018 Tesla Model 3 AWD
2017 Chevy Bolt
Retired: 2013 & 2016 SV;
Soon to be retired: 2015 S;
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frontrangeleaf
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Joined: Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:07 am
Delivery Date: 08 Jul 2019
Location: Denver Area

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:55 am

Thermal management (Bolt) in Maine unlikely to make much difference. Summers are neither hot nor long.

Heat pump will make a difference until it gets bitter cold. Highway speeds and cold kill range.

For the OP, ultimately it depends on how hard you want to work at driving an EV in your area and for your purposes.

Right tool for the job means different things to different people. I would not be comfortable coming home with just 10% charge in the winter on a regular basis. Get stuck in traffic unexpectedly and you’re stranded potentially. No thank you.

Futz around with dongles and whatnot to track every last electron so I can get to the next charge point? Umm, OK if you’re into all that, but not my thing either. No thank you. Driving my car is not a video game to me.

I want a car that drives nice and rides nice, looks good and is fit for purpose. Up to date tech package, safety and reliability are all paramount. I guess I’m allergic to the hassle factor other folks seem to take in stride. We don’t “do” range anxiety. It’s just not a topic of conversation.

I also believe that buying a bigger battery now will help resale down the road. In another year, 150 mile range will seem archaic.

YMMV
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Phatcat73
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Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:44 pm
Leaf Number: 401511
Location: Buffalo Grove, Il

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 am

Maine is similar to Chicago where both my 2013 and 2016 Leaf suffered about 15-20% degradation after 3yrs and around 35K miles. Whereas we purchased a used Bolt a few weeks ago , w about 50k miles from a warmer climate (Denver) and the battery is in tip top shape with no worries for the next 100,000 miles. We love that feeling.

Hoping the 40kw packs are better, but they're still air cooled and Nissan has lost a ton of credibility with prior "Lizard battery" and general durability improvement claims.
2018 Tesla Model 3 AWD
2017 Chevy Bolt
Retired: 2013 & 2016 SV;
Soon to be retired: 2015 S;
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MaineEV
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Delivery Date: 08 Mar 2020

Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:32 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:41 am
I would look for a discounted 2019 Leaf S or SV. If you can manage running just heated seats and steering wheel down to 20F, than the heat pump doesn't help too much. The smaller wheels on the S help the range a bit. Its more whether you want/like the nicer infotainment and heat/ac controls.

My 2 cents are to go for a 2019 Leaf S Plus. with Fed discount and dealer discounts, you could get close to 23K plus tax. (36 - 7,500 - 5K)
That's what I ended up doing. I found a discounted 2019 SV Plus with the Winter package for 23k. The dealer discounted it by 8k, Maine 2k, and the Feds will give back the final 7.5k. I'm happy.

I'm also thrilled with the car. With the extra range, it seems to be exactly what we wanted. Much fun to drive so far.

Thanks for all the info, everybody!

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