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Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:02 am

Hello everyone.

I've been test driving every EV to be found under 40K. Niro EV, Bolt, EGolf, Kona EV, and the LEAF. Almost bought the Niro until learning about their motor problems. The LEAF seems to check all the boxes. This would be first EV. Can charge at home and office.

I will be driving it 75 miles per day round trip with 80% highway driving. I drive like a gramps on the turnpike and usually don't go above 68/70 MPH.

Will the S work? How much does the 150 range dip given my type of commute? I will probably drive my Jeep whenever the weather gets extreme: snow, cold, hot or windy.

Thanks for any/all feedback. I'd hate to waste my money.

Eric

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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:11 pm

Even milder Winter weather will take a big range hit on an S, because of the lack of a a heat pump. (This also applies to an SV without the All Weather Package.) The All Weather Package for the S adds the seat and steering wheel heaters, and a rear seat duct, but no heat pump. I strongly suggest the cheapest SV you can find with that package.
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:58 pm

Not sure of the OPs location but a downside to the Leaf in very warm climates is the battery doesn't really have any thermal management, unlike some other brands. People that really drive their Leaf hard or use the QC more than once on a continuous trip can experience premature battery degradation. I'm pretty Chevy uses liquid cooling on the Bolt and Volt, not positive who else does. In a cooler climate Nissan's lack of cooling hasn't proven as detrimental. I personally wouldn't shy away from an S model but for maximum range the heat pump is probably nice to get more range. To me where a heat pump would be really nice would be on a PHEV with a rather small battery, say a Prius Prime or hopefully the new RAV4 Prime, unfortunately heat pumps on PHEVs are very rare, again I'm not sure who other than Toyota does it.
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:05 pm

I'll check out the prices on SVs. Suspect there is a good sized difference from what I can recall.

Yes, posting where we live would help: Southern Maine. :)

I also just came across the Consumer Reports test during below 10F weather. They said the S went 64 miles and had only 10 miles left. That wouldn't cover my commute.

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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:34 pm

Look for SVs in the least popular color where you live. That is white here, and may be in Maine as well, as it really shows the road slush. A white SV without the Tech package, but with the All Weather package may go for the same price as a nice looking S with both available packages.
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:10 am

A pre-owned (or new) Bolt could be a good match for extra capacity.

A Tesla (my favorite automaker) Model 3 would probably be ideal for your use.

I drive a previous generation LEAF S, and the highway driving may be more of an energy-suck than the heater use.

Although there's an old 4wd here, I use the LEAF for practically everything: snow (unless real deep), mud, rain, wind, heat, and cold.
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:41 am

I would look for a discounted 2019 Leaf S or SV. If you can manage running just heated seats and steering wheel down to 20F, than the heat pump doesn't help too much. The smaller wheels on the S help the range a bit. Its more whether you want/like the nicer infotainment and heat/ac controls.

My 2 cents are to go for a 2019 Leaf S Plus. with Fed discount and dealer discounts, you could get close to 23K plus tax. (36 - 7,500 - 5K)
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:37 pm

I appreciate the comments.

So is it correct to assume that the S can’t cover the 75 mile commute whenever it dips below 30?

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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:22 pm

A 40kwh S should be able to do the commute with the heater run only intermittently, at modest speeds. It isn't so much a question of "Is it possible?" as "Would I enjoy the drive?" After a few years it would be even more difficult.
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Re: Should I buy a 2020 LEAF S

Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:47 pm

With your commute I wouldn’t consider anything less than an SV plus, and only if it has the heat pump.

That is unless you genuinely enjoy the challenge of eeking out every last couple of feet of range in the winter.

You’ll be recharging a few times a week in winter. That’s a lot of cycles on the battery and time. How hard do you want to work at this?

We’re seeing real world in town range in winter running snow tires and heat as needed around 150 miles on ~85% charge. No highway miles (would be much worse - no regen on highway). My commute is super short, so with errands and such we charge 1x per week. AVG 3.4 mi/kWh.

You might consider a Prius instead. Or a long range Tesla, but they’re pricey.
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