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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:48 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:02 pm
Is this the one you were looking at? You can tell by the "B" in the VIN that it's a 30 kWh. It does seem overpriced by $2-5k, but the market has gone up. (for whatever reason)

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/ ... 87309.html

Overpriced?? NO. It has Premium package and is in nice shape. I'd say it's undervalued by a grand or two, barring issues.
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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:50 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:48 pm
coleafrado wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:02 pm
Is this the one you were looking at? You can tell by the "B" in the VIN that it's a 30 kWh. It does seem overpriced by $2-5k, but the market has gone up. (for whatever reason)

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/ ... 87309.html

Overpriced?? NO. It has Premium package and is in nice shape. I'd say it's undervalued by a grand or two, barring issues.
Looks like a 10- or 11-bar battery. I will admit I don't really consider the packages (other than QC) to matter much...

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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:11 pm

With the 30kwh pack, you only know the real capacity if it either loses no bars without the BMS update, or gains bars from it and then keeps them. At worst it's like a 2015 13 bar Leaf. ;)
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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:27 am

coleafrado wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:02 pm
Is this the one you were looking at? You can tell by the "B" in the VIN that it's a 30 kWh. It does seem overpriced by $2-5k, but the market has gone up. (for whatever reason)

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/ ... 87309.html
Nope. I hadn't checked CL. That seems like a great price as long as the battery isn't somehow dead lol.

I'd be contacting that dealer ASAP if it wasn't in MO. I have no idea why they were posting in the Chicago CL. MO is 6+ hour drive away. :(

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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:57 am

Lupus wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:27 am
coleafrado wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:02 pm
Is this the one you were looking at? You can tell by the "B" in the VIN that it's a 30 kWh. It does seem overpriced by $2-5k, but the market has gone up. (for whatever reason)

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/ ... 87309.html
Nope. I hadn't checked CL. That seems like a great price as long as the battery isn't somehow dead lol.

I'd be contacting that dealer ASAP if it wasn't in MO. I have no idea why they were posting in the Chicago CL. MO is 6+ hour drive away. :(
Oh, you mentioned Chicago winters so I assumed that's where you were. Keep in mind a 6 hour drive in an ICE car is more like a 10-13 hour drive in a 30kWh Leaf (if you're lucky with charge stations).

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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:07 pm

I generally recommend against buying an EV if you cannot charge at home. If you are set on an EV, check rates and availability of public charging stations nearby and along your normal delivery routes. Costs for charging at public stations are often as expensive or even more expensive than buying gasoline for a similar sized car. I recommend a LEAF with the heat pump HVAC system and at least 30 kWh battery (30 kWh and larger batteries have 8-year, 100,000-mile capacity warranty).
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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:18 pm

Thanks everyone for your help! I found one on CL and just did a test drive. I'm hoping to negotiate the price down but otherwise it is great. 2015 w/QC and 12/12 bars.
Hopefully I'll be able to soon join you all as a fellow Leaf owner.

There are many public charge places near me and several are free. Plenty of backups in case those are occupied.

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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:38 pm

Keep in mind that without LeafSpy, you should assume that a 12 bar Leaf is close to dropping to 11 bars. I hope it isn't an S, as you will need the heat pump. An SV with 11 bars won't do 50 miles in frigid weather, but should go that far in milder Winter weather. I drove a 2013 SV before this, and with 88% capacity left, the frigid weather range was about 35 miles at most, with heat.
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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:35 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:38 pm
Keep in mind that without LeafSpy, you should assume that a 12 bar Leaf is close to dropping to 11 bars. I hope it isn't an S, as you will need the heat pump. An SV with 11 bars won't do 50 miles in frigid weather, but should go that far in milder Winter weather. I drove a 2013 SV before this, and with 88% capacity left, the frigid weather range was about 35 miles at most, with heat.
I'm pretty sure it is an S, as it has an older style dash and no fancy nav. Should I back out completely despite putting down a $100 deposit? I deposited to hold the car for a week. I'm hoping to negotiate the price down to $10k but now I'm concerned it isn't worth it. I thought that newer than 2013 Leafs are all fine... I must have misread/misunderstood that part on the Used Leaf Guide you so helpfully posted.

The range might be a problem, but probably not. I almost never needed heat in my old ICE car - I love the cold (I wear shorts until it is below about 20F). The furthest I travel is 25 miles and I already confirmed I can trickle charge at that destination in the winter if needed.

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Re: Looking for Leaf; lost out on 2 attempts

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:57 pm

The range issue with the S is because of the resistance-only heater. If you can happily drive with just the seat and wheel heaters, then it could work. (BRRR!) You want to verify that the car was built AFTER March of 2013, though, as earlier builds use the old, bad chemistry in the battery.
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