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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:39 am

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An awful lot of the people who vote for Trump know that he is an asshole. Some even know that he is an idiot. It's not wise to overlook this.These things just don't, for them, much affect the answers to the above questions.
I personally know a number of people in this category. They dislike Trump, think his personality sucks, but he's doing WHAT THEY WANT HIM TO DO. I'd put a huge portion of the Republican Congress in this category. Republican have shown absolutely no regard for America or the average citizen. They want power and money and will do whatever it takes to get it. Trump is the epitome of this.

Don't forget, for all of Congress and his base, the support is nearly 100% no matter what he does. THAT, simply has to go for America to get on it's feet again.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:20 pm

Trump won because 'low information voters' didn't like Clinton and thought that he was a sharp businessman. That isn't going to happen again, at least not in anywhere near the numbers he needs, given that the demographics have shifted enough to lose him about 6% of the votes he had in 2016. IOW if he performed just as well as in 2016 in 2020, he'd lose by at least 6%.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:40 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:20 pm
Trump won because 'low information voters' didn't like Clinton and thought that he was a sharp businessman. That isn't going to happen again, at least not in anywhere near the numbers he needs, given that the demographics have shifted enough to lose him about 6% of the votes he had in 2016. IOW if he performed just as well as in 2016 in 2020, he'd lose by at least 6%.
I don't totally agree, I think their was a contingent of Evangelicals and conservatives and maybe even some independents who knew exactly who he was but didn't care as long as they got the Supreme Court Justices. The ends DO justify the means for some. I mean come on, the access Hollywood tape made it plainly obvious who he was. And they voted for him anyway.

I agree he is going to loose this time though. His polling numbers are lousy right now. People seem to think last go around was a huge win, but it wasn't. States like Michigan were won by a tiny fraction. Biden only has to flip 3 states and he wins. If Trump looses Michigan, Florida and Arizona, he loses, even if he wins all the other swing states - which is unlikely.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:44 am

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Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:40 am
States like Michigan were won by a tiny fraction. Biden only has to flip 3 states and he wins. If Trump looses Michigan, Florida and Arizona, he loses, even if he wins all the other swing states - which is unlikely.
I wish it were so.

But I doubt it.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-coul ... on-1513975

The result can't be close, or Trump cheats.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:10 am

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I agree he is going to loose this time though.
That's what lots of people were saying in 2016, too.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:07 am

Another video with an intended audience of one.

Trump isn't loyal to anyone. Trump demands loyalty from everyone. Trump largely doesn't get loyalty from the people who actually know him. Fear, greed, self interest, yes.

https://youtu.be/bk6d4TgO2NY
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:18 am

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That's what lots of people were saying in 2016, too.
Here is what to expect if Trump doesn't lose.

https://youtu.be/t_yG_-K2MDo
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:42 pm

jlv wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:10 am
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I agree he is going to loose this time though.
That's what lots of people were saying in 2016, too.
In 2016 you could see how he might possibly win, but no one was expecting him to campaign so fiercely and widely at the end, and no one was expecting the Russians to be helping him eke out an Electoral College win with micro-managed targeted advertising. This time even with those factors considered, it would take much more just for him to compensate for the demographic changes that have cost him 6% of the people who voted for him in 2016. He can still win, but it would take a (likely manufactured) crisis, along with him actually appearing to take a positive leadership role, for him to get enough votes. With his adoption of the Southern Strategy in the midst of a sea change in how the electorate views minorities, and his insistence on downplaying the crisis that could have won him reelection, he is trading independent votes for harder support among the 30% of the voters who still back him. Unless they manage to vote twice each, that's a losing strategy.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:53 am

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/08/donald ... publicans/
But Trump and his propagandists are going full speed ahead, embracing coronavirus denialism and encouraging Trump supporters to return to church, reject mask-wearing and stop social distancing. He keeps encouraging his followers to attend campaign rallies unmasked, even though that's the easiest way to get coronavirus. It's almost as if Trump his followers to get sick and die. It's inarguable that he doesn't care if they do.

Trump is so unconcerned about his own voters that he can't even muster the pretense of caring in the cases where harm to them is also harm to him.
In other news:
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/nati ... ge-ratings
One of the biggest unknowns, however, is voting itself. As we’ve seen this spring and early summer, most states are not prepared for an onslaught of absentee ballots. And confusion about how/where to vote could impact turnout. Moreover, if voters start to sense that the race for president is a blow-out, will they be more willing to split their tickets to ensure a ‘check and balance’ in Washington next fall? At least one Republican I spoke with, however, was wary of a check and balance working this year, telling me that “people are looking for a restart and a reset.” That includes down-ballot candidates as well as the president.
Can Trump cheat to win again?
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:35 am

And what happens after Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZp3FAQZvU
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