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Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:20 pm

Personally, rather than arguing I'm just waiting quietly for Nov. 3rd, but for those who just can't hold back here's your chance to fawn on/slag on our current president, his policies and his supporters/opponents.

I start this topic in hopes we can keep from cluttering up others with such discussions, except when they are directly relevant to the topic.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:54 pm

I'm in CA so it really doesn't matter what I do while we are under the EC system as is. Last time the choice was between a crooked politician and a dishonest businessman. I chose a third party. Not sure what I will do this time but I certainly will not be voting for Trump.

What is interesting to me is the polling. Trump is way down in swing states, especially Michigan. He just barely won Michigan last time. Before someone responds that the polls are wrong and rubbish I suggest they visit Nate Silvers site. He grades polls and does a good overall statistical analysis. I am also watching AZ. It would be delightful if Trump lost because he burned the folks in AZ one too many times. McCain was popular there. My own parents are in AZ and Republicans and they have said they will not vote for him.

If nothing else it's interesting to watch the polls.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:22 pm

I didn't much like Mrs Clinton, but Trump looked like a disaster from day one. He was a disaster in NYC development, Casinos, personal life, and more decades ago. Stiffed small businesses. Hired illegals every chance he got. Turned it around with money laundering for the Russian Mob and playing a successful businessman on a "reality" TV show.

Trump can't lead a scared cat out of a paper bag. Has never been a success at much of anything other than collecting daddy's money without paying inheritance taxes and various other lying and cheating.

I've never seen any evidence that Trump has ever opened a Bible in his life, but has a bunch of TV preachers backing him. Go figure.

What a loser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cO-_C9-nF8

How big of crowds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZAPwfrtAFY

Something lighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0kMFyOtO0M

November is coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yG_-K2MDo
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:06 pm

After 3 1/2 years everyone pretty much knows where they stand on the guy. A majority disapproves while a sizeable minority will never forsake him no matter what he says or does. Very few minds will change between now and November. The only question is whether or not Gerrymandering and voter suppression can pull out another win in the Electoral College.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:11 pm

Nubo wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:06 pm
After 3 1/2 years everyone pretty much knows where they stand on the guy. A majority disapproves while a sizeable minority will never forsake him no matter what he says or does. Very few minds will change between now and November. The only question is whether or not Gerrymandering and voter suppression can pull out another win in the Electoral College.
The other interesting question is will the military obey Trump if he declares himself President For Life?

After all, Don the Con could never lose an election. Even if it was a landslide against him.

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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:48 pm

Trump IS the Greatest Lousy president of All Time. That used to be Dick Nixon, at least for those born after slavery was declared ended, but Nixon now looks like one of our ten best presidents - five best if you ignore domestic surveillance and counter-ops. Shrub beat the Orange One to be the very first to make Nixon look Great in comparison, but Trump has also managed to rehabilitate Shrub! We are actually listening to what our Mountain Bike President has to say, and further, we are reminiscing fondly about a man who was only slightly stupid, and who only let a few Lunatics guide his policies. Heck, Donnie Dearest has also manged to rehabilitate Shrub's advisors! Who wouldn't welcome Darth Cheney back as VP, if it meant getting rid of Barr, Kavanaugh, or even that new Evil Sex Doll of a press Secretary, who I shall not name because there is a mirror in the room with me..?
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:28 pm

WetEV wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:11 pm
The other interesting question is will the military obey Trump if he declares himself President For Life?
No.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:28 am

danrjones wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:54 pm
I'm in CA so it really doesn't matter what I do while we are under the EC system as is. Last time the choice was between a crooked politician and a dishonest businessman. I chose a third party. Not sure what I will do this time but I certainly will not be voting for Trump.

Like you, as a Californian I know my vote's irrelevant to the outcome, and whoever's the Dem. candidate will get 55 electoral votes, so I've been voting for this or that third party candidate for years, just to keep something other than Rep./Dem. on the ballot.

I mean, the last time a Rep. won ANY statewide ballot was 2006, when the Governator won a full term, and he was a liberal Rep.

The last time a Republican presidential candidate won the state was 1988. While I could easily name both party's candidates for every other presidential election from 1948 on, I finally had to look up who Bush beat, he was so forgettable (it was Tank Boy/Alfred E. Neuman).

In 2016, Hillary had the highest unfavorable ratings of any Dem. candidate in living memory, yet stiil beat the Dumpster here 8,753,788 - 4,483,810.

As The Ronald (as in McDonald) has hardly made himself more popular here in the interim, once again I can vote for whoever the hell I want and know it will make absolutely no difference. This time though, I'm torn. I'd hate be the person to ruin even the possibility, no matter how extremely improbable, of a 14 or 15 million to 0 result. What to do, what to do. . .
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:24 am

In any scenario in which CA or NY is 'in play', the election is lost. There is no scenario in which everyone but you votes for Biden.

I've composed a KILLER parody song, but it mocks Biden, so my contribution to this election will be to NOT send it out into the world. That's easier than voting for the guy.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:14 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:24 am
In any scenario in which CA or NY is 'in play', the election is lost. There is no scenario in which everyone but you votes for Biden.
Read it again. Different scenario.

Red Texas is in play. AZ is probably Biden. Red Iowa is getting purple. Even in Red Kansas, Trump is polling well below 4 years ago, 52% isn't in play but is getting close.

Trump is a genus at dividing people. Only barely got half in 2016, and only because of the funny way we count, the EC. Trump doesn't reach outside his base. But he has divided off several traditional Republican groups. Farmers are Free Market true believers... Trump's tariffs have hit them hard. Old people feel threatened by covid-19... Trump has FUBAR'd the response to the virus TREMENDOUSLY.

Beware... Trump is a very bad loser. Expect to see nasty attempts to change the subject. Threats of war, or starting a war. Military ordered to impose martial law and suspend the election. Doctored videos and crazy conspiracy theories. Waves of Russian Trolls and bots trolling all social media.
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