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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:53 pm

More on Trump's climate policy.

"Waist deep in the big muddy, and the big fool says to push on"

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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:14 pm

Trump's climate policy is so horrific its effects are already being felt, Obama's 747 had to divert from Palm Springs to Riverside.
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Re: Trump EV/alternative energy/climate/environmental policy bashing and discussion

Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:01 pm

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LTLFTcomposite wrote:All references to climate change removed from the WH website

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... se-website
"The requested page '/energy/climate-change' could not be found."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
The contents of this link deserves to be printedvin its entirety.

"An America First Energy Plan

Energy is an essential part of American life and a staple of the world economy. The Trump Administration is committed to energy policies that lower costs for hardworking Americans and maximize the use of American resources, freeing us from dependence on foreign oil.

For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years.

Sound energy policy begins with the recognition that we have vast untapped domestic energy reserves right here in America. The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own. We will use the revenues from energy production to rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure. Less expensive energy will be a big boost to American agriculture, as well.

The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.

In addition to being good for our economy, boosting domestic energy production is in America’s national security interest. President Trump is committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests. At the same time, we will work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.

Lastly, our need for energy must go hand-in-hand with responsible stewardship of the environment. Protecting clean air and clean water, conserving our natural habitats, and preserving our natural reserves and resources will remain a high priority. President Trump will refocus the EPA on its essential mission of protecting our air and water.

A brighter future depends on energy policies that stimulate our economy, ensure our security, and protect our health. Under the Trump Administration’s energy policies, that future can become a reality. "

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Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:06 pm

LKK wrote:The contents of this link deserves to be printed in its entirety.

--drivel removed--
Who needs clean air, clean water and a livable climate? Want some lead in your water like Flint? How about those coal ash spills? Pipeline spills occurring on a regular basis? Obviously there are too many regulations.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:22 am

Stoaty wrote: Who needs clean air, clean water and a livable climate? Want some lead in your water like Flint?
Maybe if our policies on trade hadn't decimated the economy in Flint they could have afforded to improve their aging water system.
Oh I forgot, all blessings flow from Washington. Perhaps infrastructure spending will now be prioritized above liberal propaganda machines such as NPR or the endowment for the arts, or (gasp) taxpayer funded abortions.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:27 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Maybe if our policies on trade hadn't decimated the economy in Flint they could have afforded to improve their aging water system.
The problem wasn't that the water system was aging, it was due to reckless disregard for safety and trying to (illegally) save a few dollars by switching to a contaminated water source and not following the law:

"According to a class-action lawsuit, the state Department of Environmental Quality was not treating the Flint River water with an anti-corrosive agent, in violation of federal law."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/us/flint- ... ast-facts/
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:45 am

I found an article about social scientists who are studying the "Reg" phenomenon. Might be helpful in understanding his climate science denial:

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencen ... story.html
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Re: Trump EV/alternative energy/climate/environmental policy bashing and discussion

Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:23 am

Stoaty wrote:I found an article about social scientists who are studying the "Reg" phenomenon. Might be helpful in understanding his climate science denial:

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencen ... story.html
Interesting, I just assumed it was because denial was so damn convenient, just like hipocrisy, denial's first cousin... you know, the kind that enables you to take a 747 on a golf outing when you aren't even president any more with a clear conscience as you lecture everyone else.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:28 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Interesting, I just assumed it was because denial was so damn convenient, just like hipocrisy, denial's first cousin... you know, the kind that enables you to take a 747 on a golf outing when you aren't even president any more with a clear conscience as you lecture everyone else.
Yes, but that has no bearing on whether climate change is actually happening. The problem is unlikely to be adequately addressed by voluntary individual changes in behavior, which is why we need laws and regulations which apply to all. Granted, those with a lot of excess money probably won't be unduly affected by those rules unless it gets to the point of rationing... and even then there are black markets.
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