Kraut, did you read the businessweek article? Did you listen to the St Louis public radio interviews I linked earlier?derkraut wrote:Andy: If you owned and operated a business in Ferguson, MO (or anywhere, for that matter), and a bunch of thugs broke in to your business and began looting and trashing your property, would you expect law enforcement to stand by and watch, or would you expect them to apprehend the law-breakers, and protect your property?AndyH wrote:http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035 ... ts/3271930
Rainy night in Ferguson. The curfew is in effect. The community has been policing themselves. Uniformed police are lined up 'protecting' the nail shop. The media is restricted to a small corral and they had to register with the police to be allowed to stay. There are still people on the street, including reps from Amnesty International and other groups, but a county SUV just parked between the crowd and the press pen so it's difficult to see what's happening.
What a goat rope.
And...a few protesters stood their ground. The police brought at least 4 armored vehicles, deployed combat troops, and lobbed so much tear gas that they had to stop from time to time so they could see to aim the next volley. I guess the St Police captain misspoke when he said they would not use gas to enforce the curfew...
For Klap: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... al-discord
I expect that you want me to put on my business owner hat, stand inside with locked doors and my hand over the alarm system's panic button, with a body full of adrenalin. I further expect, from our past communication and from assumptions based on the demographics of this board that I'm a white business owner and I'm afraid of the black-skinned potential looters waiting behind every bush. Close?
First, sir, I do operate a business and have worked jobs serving the public. Additionally, I've lived on the east side of this metro area for a bit over 9 years. Because of that, I think your question is irrelevant.
If you were tied into the information flow from Ferguson (twitter (from citizens and local politicians), facebook, citizen journalists, and indie journalists in the area), you'd already know that the police have been the problem. You'd also know that there is a small (possibly fewer than 10) group - at least one from Chicago and some number from Oakland - that are in the area causing trouble. These are the folks that lobbed a Molotov cocktail last night and started a fire outside a restaurant. What did the local protesters do? They ran through the tear gas to put the fire out. You'd also know that local citizens have been guarding shops - not the police.
The problem in Ferguson, derkraut, is the attitude and practices of the police force, local politicians, and some business owners. Communities such as this are essentially 'farmed' and bled dry for cash flow for these businesses. The police force is more like an army of occupation than a part of the community (it's pretty clear that the police force isn't part of the community at all). These people work FOR the citizens of Ferguson, not the other way around.
If I operated a business in Ferguson and had been preying on the population, karma says I deserve to have my building burned to the ground. If, on the other hand, I operated a business that served the area and if I was part of the community, then I wouldn't be afraid of being attacked to begin with. And if I was part of this community, business owner or not, and became aware of this level of abuse by the police, I'd board up my windows and be in the streets because no human being deserves to be livestock in a corporate farm.
Here's some quality policing...not...
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/0 ... er-curfew/