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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:35 am

Obama's collusion and complicity with the domestic spying cartel superforces is the most profound disappointment of his presidency for me.

Looking back over all the Presidents I can remember, it's clear that being President changes its office holders, inevitably and deeply, and generally not for the better. It's as if the weight and burden of the office and the privileged (or cursed) perspective granted a President crushes their souls somehow, and blanches the humanity and common decency out of their vision. I don't know how else to account for such an apparently radical shift of posture for someone like Obama.

Thank you, Ed Snowden, and thanks to all contributors to this thread.
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:23 am

Lest anyone think our military is behind our loss of rights since 9/11, turn to page 5:

http://www.jcs.mil/content/files/2009-0 ... ng2007.pdf
Our Own Worst Enemy: Why Our Misguided Reactions to 9-11 Might Be America's Greatest Threat
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:28 am

timhebb wrote:Obama's collusion and complicity with the domestic spying cartel superforces is the most profound disappointment of his presidency for me.

Looking back over all the Presidents I can remember, it's clear that being President changes its office holders, inevitably and deeply, and generally not for the better. It's as if the weight and burden of the office and the privileged (or cursed) perspective granted a President crushes their souls somehow, and blanches the humanity and common decency out of their vision. I don't know how else to account for such an apparently radical shift of posture for someone like Obama.

Thank you, Ed Snowden, and thanks to all contributors to this thread.
I cringe everyday I read more about this...you know that in Germany people AND politicians are really pissed off now. The big newspapers talk about an end of cordial relations at times, when the West should be moving closer together, defending our common human values against the likes as Russia, China, Iran etc (which are having a field day right now).

While this is sort of a lame excuse (maybe rationalizing even), but I think it is also very possible that the President is simply not in control of everything the government does. After all, these are no supermen and they can only focus, like the rest of us, on mostly one thing at a time.

I like to think our current President has still very good intentions (and the intellect to at least try to make them reality, despite the obstacles and obstruction), but maybe we all underestimate the enormous weight and momentum of the machinery that is the US government and its agencies.

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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:00 pm

If you want to prevent the police state:
http://www.justiceonline.org/thank-you- ... k-you.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:25 pm

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1 ... _ellsberg/
https://twitter.com/DanielEllsberg/stat ... 9676826624

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/
https://thedaywefightback.org/
Hi Reddit,
I am Daniel Ellsberg, the former State and Defense Department official who leaked 7,000 pages of Top Secret documents on the Vietnam War to the New York Times and 19 other papers in 1971.
Recently, I co-founded the Freedom of the Press Foundation. Yesterday, we announced Edward Snowden, NSA whistleblower, will be joining our board of directors!
Here’s our website: https://pressfreedomfoundation.org
I believe that Edward Snowden has done more to support and defend the Constitution—in particular, the First and Fourth Amendments—than any member of Congress or any other employee or official of the Executive branch, up to the president: every one of whom took that same oath, which many of them have violated.
Ask me anything.
Here's proof it's me: https://twitter.com/DanielEllsberg/stat ... 9676826624
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:45 pm

I believe that no President these days is in complete control of, or has knowledge of, everything the government does...
klapauzius wrote:I think it is also very possible that the President is simply not in control of everything the government does.
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:36 pm

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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:08 pm

Journalist Michael Hastings, 33, died in a car crash yesterday
Ominous...
Well, it looks like these stories are far from over. The truth will always come out, the question, sadly, is, does anyone care?

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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:15 pm

The events that have unfolded and revelations that have come to light since Edward Snowden first became a news story last summer have tended to make the original premise of this thread - "Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?" - seem trivial and all but beside the point (no disrespect to the OP intended; it was a relevant and worthy question to ask at the time).

Whether he is a hero, a traitor, or something in between, Snowden has proven to be absolutely necessary and indispensable to any informed conversation about the state, and the health, of this Union. As the saying goes, if he didn't exist, he would have had to be invented. It's just that it's almost inconceivable anyone could have credibly raised the issues he has without breaking the law as he did. Who would have believed the extent of such "insane" accusations toward the NSA and others just six months ago? Not even I would have, and I'm pretty paranoid and cynical.
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Re: Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?

Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:26 pm

This post is apropos of nothing other than pure fun. Please ignore if you feel it's misplaced or have better things to do.

The name "Edward Snowden" seemed to vibrate with anagrammatical riches and haunting near-mythological meaning from the first time I saw it in print; reading about his saga only deepened the fascination. Plugging it into the several anagram generators on the web confirmed the vast trove of enigmatic epithets contained in those 13 characters.

The 4979 anagrams for ES mined by one online anagram server reverberate with concise, eerie echoes of his ongoing journey, in phrases that sometimes comically recall classic Variety headlines, and frequently portend an ominous ending for his travails.

Here are a few of the many reverberating results returned:

Odd New Ed Warns

Ed Wanders Down

Nerd Wades Down

And Nerds Wowed

Red Snow Dawned (Russian offer of temporary asylum?)

Onward Ed Wends

Dread Wends Now

Add New Downers (continuing revelations...)

Odd New Wardens (Russians?)

New Odds Warned

Awed Nerds Down

Downed Ed Warns

Odd Swan Nerd - Ew!

Ed: Drowned Swan

Swan Ed Drew Nod

Nerd Sad End - Wow!

Drew Own Sad End

We Down Sad Nerd

Was Ed End Drown?

Odd New War Ends
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