montoo
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Colorado

Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:44 pm

Got my leaf Delivery last Friday. So far disappointed with the range i am getting. i drove for 22 miles and the range reduced from 88 to 44. Do i need to turn battery heater ON? Am i missing something? Not sure how to get a good range. Temperatures have been what around 40 F and this is what my range is? I now know what "Range Anxiety" means.

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Re: Colorado

Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:58 pm

I guess same was for me on the first day, but after little over 1 month and 2400 miles I am very happy and using car for most of my trips. There is plenty of info here how to drive car to get most miles from charge. Battery heater is automatic, so no need to do anything.
This is nice info what you can expect from Leaf by Tony Williams
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 93#p101293
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ampitupco
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Re: Colorado

Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:58 pm

montoo wrote:Got my leaf Delivery last Friday. So far disappointed with the range i am getting. i drove for 22 miles and the range reduced from 88 to 44. Do i need to turn battery heater ON? Am i missing something? Not sure how to get a good range. Temperatures have been what around 40 F and this is what my range is? I now know what "Range Anxiety" means.
The battery heater is only for extreme cold temperatures to keep it from freezing.

I've been driving my Leaf exclusively for the past two weeks to commute in town, and took into into the Mountains this last weekend. What I've notice is that highway driving - 65 MPH - and elevation increases really affect the range!

I've been charging to 80% every night and for commute and in-town puttering this is working well... the range estimates seem to be pretty close to what I am seeing. I charged to 100% last weekend and took the car up to Evergreen (from Denver) and went from 100 miles range to 32 - while only traveling 30 miles into the hills. However, when I came back down the hills and into town the range was back to up 80 miles! When I finally pulled into my garage, I was back at 29 miles left. For the day I went 63 miles by land and a net difference on the range estimate of 71 miles. Not bad.

So the question is, where are you driving and how fast? Are you in ECO or D?
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Re: Colorado

Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:19 pm

I Just drove 11 miles west on E-470 and back, I had climate control at 64 degrees and was driving just like i drive my gas car... sometimes going at 70-75 mph.
I switched to Eco mode only when i hit local roads. I guess i should've driven at 65 mph on highway.
ampitupco wrote:
montoo wrote:Got my leaf Delivery last Friday. So far disappointed with the range i am getting. i drove for 22 miles and the range reduced from 88 to 44. Do i need to turn battery heater ON? Am i missing something? Not sure how to get a good range. Temperatures have been what around 40 F and this is what my range is? I now know what "Range Anxiety" means.
The battery heater is only for extreme cold temperatures to keep it from freezing.

I've been driving my Leaf exclusively for the past two weeks to commute in town, and took into into the Mountains this last weekend. What I've notice is that highway driving - 65 MPH - and elevation increases really affect the range!

I've been charging to 80% every night and for commute and in-town puttering this is working well... the range estimates seem to be pretty close to what I am seeing. I charged to 100% last weekend and took the car up to Evergreen (from Denver) and went from 100 miles range to 32 - while only traveling 30 miles into the hills. However, when I came back down the hills and into town the range was back to up 80 miles! When I finally pulled into my garage, I was back at 29 miles left. For the day I went 63 miles by land and a net difference on the range estimate of 71 miles. Not bad.

So the question is, where are you driving and how fast? Are you in ECO or D?

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Re: Colorado

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:09 am

montoo wrote:I Just drove 11 miles west on E-470 and back, I had climate control at 64 degrees and was driving just like i drive my gas car... sometimes going at 70-75 mph.
I switched to Eco mode only when i hit local roads. I guess i should've driven at 65 mph on highway.
I'm still learning and playing around, but lately I've chosen to be in ECO all the time. I believe ECO gives you a little more regen than while in D, which is nice when going down hills around here. You still have all the power as when in D when you want it - so long as your mash down the accelerator.
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Re: Colorado

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:36 pm

I don't think what you're seeing is too far out of line if you are driving at highway speeds, especially with the climate control on. I always see a drop from 80-100 miles down to 30-50 after the first few highway miles at 65-75 MPH. Note the Guess-O-Meter (GOM) gets more accurate as it gets lower, so 22+44 = 66 miles is not an unrealistic range for driving the Leaf at speed. The EPA estimate is something like 73 miles, which is much more believable than the 100 miles Nissan advertises or where the GOM starts out after an 80% or 100% charge.
montoo wrote:Got my leaf Delivery last Friday. So far disappointed with the range i am getting. i drove for 22 miles and the range reduced from 88 to 44. Do i need to turn battery heater ON? Am i missing something? Not sure how to get a good range. Temperatures have been what around 40 F and this is what my range is? I now know what "Range Anxiety" means.
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Re: Colorado

Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:37 pm

Thanks for your responses. As I am learning to drive it more responsibly, my range is getting better in spite of really cold winter nights here in Colorado recently. Appreciate the help.
tjz wrote:I don't think what you're seeing is too far out of line if you are driving at highway speeds, especially with the climate control on. I always see a drop from 80-100 miles down to 30-50 after the first few highway miles at 65-75 MPH. Note the Guess-O-Meter (GOM) gets more accurate as it gets lower, so 22+44 = 66 miles is not an unrealistic range for driving the Leaf at speed. The EPA estimate is something like 73 miles, which is much more believable than the 100 miles Nissan advertises or where the GOM starts out after an 80% or 100% charge.
montoo wrote:Got my leaf Delivery last Friday. So far disappointed with the range i am getting. i drove for 22 miles and the range reduced from 88 to 44. Do i need to turn battery heater ON? Am i missing something? Not sure how to get a good range. Temperatures have been what around 40 F and this is what my range is? I now know what "Range Anxiety" means.

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Re: Colorado

Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:55 pm

montoo wrote:I Just drove 11 miles west on E-470 and back, I had climate control at 64 degrees and was driving just like i drive my gas car... sometimes going at 70-75 mph.
I switched to Eco mode only when i hit local roads. I guess i should've driven at 65 mph on highway.
The biggest hit to range is speed and 70-75 is a major range killer. Aerodynamic drag increases as the square of velocity and the power needed to overcome it increases as the cube of velocity. Drag also affects ICE cars at high speeds but most people pay little attention to the big drop in gas mileage. With the LEAF drag makes a big difference in range. Slowing down will stretch range.

Another hit to range is use of the heater, which takes quite a bit of power. One way to avoid this is to preheat the car while still plugged-in and then use the steering wheel and seat heaters to keep comfortable (they take very little power).

A cold battery will hold less charge than a warm one. If you can park in a garage that doesn't get down to ambient temperature at night that will help range in winter.

If you don't really need all the range then feel free to speed along with the heater blasting. Otherwise, you will need to make some trade-offs. Learning to drive efficiently will stretch the range and can be fun. If you want to drive 70 miles per charge in winter at 70 mph, the LEAF simply won't be able to handle it.

Finally, the distance-to-empty meter is called the "Guess-o-meter" (GoM) around here for a reason: it can be wildly inaccurate under many circumstances because it bases the estimate on how you have been driving lately. Don't assume the numbers you are getting from the GoM are "real". Take a look at Tony William's Range Chart.
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Re: Colorado

Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:54 am

I'm very savvy when it comes to electronics and technology, but I can't figure out for the life of me how to switch into ECO mode. Please help!
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Re: Colorado

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:41 am

GREENEV wrote:I'm very savvy when it comes to electronics and technology, but I can't figure out for the life of me how to switch into ECO mode. Please help!
You pull the "mouse" shifter over and down toward you into "D" a second time. You'll then see "ECO" on your dashboard display instead of "D". The shifter toggles back-and-forth between the two modes. Ergo, doing it a third time will shift you back into "D" again.

If this isn't working for you... something is odd!!!

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