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Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:05 am
by TonyWilliams
We keep hearing how the SAE will change the standard, and WE WILL ADOPT to their standard.

Let me suggest the opposite. SAE DC charge vehicles will probably adapt to ChaDeMo.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:43 am
by garygid
Perhaps Nissan knows something about the USA "standards"
progress or outcome that we do not know.

If Nissan was not confident in Chademo survival, why would they
require the QC Port on all 2012 LEAF SL models (no longer an Option)?

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:58 pm
by TEG
garygid wrote:If Nissan was not confident in Chademo survival, why would they
require the QC Port on all 2012 LEAF SL models (no longer an Option)?
+1

Crossing my fingers that this is a good sign for us with CHAdeMO already.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:56 pm
by JPWhite
garygid wrote:
If Nissan was not confident in Chademo survival, why would they
require the QC Port on all 2012 LEAF SL models (no longer an Option)?
90% of tier one purchasers ordered the car with the fast charge port. In order to offer fast charging there is no other standard which is ratified they can install on the vehicles. They have Hobson's choice. They simply made it a standard feature, not so much a 'requirement' any more than the nav system is a requirement.

They also would like to see the standard adopted by the US, like the rest of the world has already.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:35 am
by LEAFfan
GaslessInSeattle wrote:Between WA, OR and TN it sure does seem like CHAdeMO is going to be the defacto standard in a matter of a couple of months!
Let's not forget that AZ is in that group also. :D Etec has been saying for a long time that these QCs will be installed by the end of 2011, but not many people would believe them. I kind of knew and have many postings telling people to be patient because they have to finish the residential by the end of this month.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:46 am
by GaslessInSeattle
AZ, WA, OR and TN it is then.
If the SAE keeps pushing for a new standard this could turn into quite an interesting train wreck.

LEAFfan wrote:
GaslessInSeattle wrote:Between WA, OR and TN it sure does seem like CHAdeMO is going to be the defacto standard in a matter of a couple of months!
Let's not forget that AZ is in that group also. :D Etec has been saying for a long time that these QCs will be installed by the end of 2011, but not many people would believe them. I kind of knew and have many postings telling people to be patient because they have to finish the residential by the end of this month.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:49 am
by ht2
GaslessInSeattle wrote:AZ, WA, OR and TN it is then.
If the SAE keeps pushing for a new standard this could turn into quite an interesting train wreck.

LEAFfan wrote:
GaslessInSeattle wrote:Between WA, OR and TN it sure does seem like CHAdeMO is going to be the defacto standard in a matter of a couple of months!
Let's not forget that AZ is in that group also. :D Etec has been saying for a long time that these QCs will be installed by the end of 2011, but not many people would believe them. I kind of knew and have many postings telling people to be patient because they have to finish the residential by the end of this month.
What kind of legal authority SAE has?

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:30 pm
by TRONZ
GaslessInSeattle wrote:If the SAE keeps pushing for a new standard this could turn into quite an interesting train wreck.
Why??? An SAE standard will not invalidate CHAdeMO. Being a (non existing) very late comer to the game, SAE is already starting out way behind with little hope of catching CHAdeMO.

BUT

Lets go waaaay out on a limb here and say SAE did eventually make a functioning standard AND miracle of miracles a U.S. manufacturer actually made an SAE QC car. WHO CARES! Let the SAE cars plug into new SAE units while we continue plugging into very well used and tested CHAdeMO units.

Last I checked there was a couple little standards out there called Imperial and Metric. The auto industry seem to have worked this little difference out. Quick Charging is the same thing and the same non-issue. A good mechanic has both sets of tools and good QC stations will have both chargers. ;)

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:39 pm
by SanDust
JPWhite wrote:They also would like to see the standard adopted by the US, like the rest of the world has already.
I guess this is true if by rest of the world you mean Japan. Europe has most definitely not signed on to CHAdeMO. In fact BMW may be the most active manufacturer in the development of the the SAE standard, which, BTW, is designed to deal with the various European electrical systems. The car manufacturers don't want two plugs. They want one plug which will work with anything from 120V to 600V. The powerline and V2G capabilities are also a bonus as is the 4x faster charge times and not having to rely on a ground fault interrupt.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:53 pm
by TRONZ
SanDust wrote:Europe has most definitely not signed on to CHAdeMO.
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