Page 5 of 9

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:12 pm
by TEG
http://www.baaqmd.gov/Divisions/Strateg ... harge.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...The BAAQMD will also be working to provide funding for the establishment of a network of up to 50 Direct Charge (DC) fast chargers. This effort will also include a coordination component to ensure charging infrastructure is in compliance with all applicable permitting, regulations, utility and local installation requirements. This program builds on BAAQMD’s FY 2009/2010 award of $1.3 million that helped to fund 400 Level 2 J1772 chargers, 6 DC fast chargers, and the first Battery-Swap station in North America...
Do we have 6 fast chargers, and a public battery swap station in the SF bay area?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/Divisions/Strateg ... Ready.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...The Bay Area Air Quality Management District (BAAQMD) Board of Directors has awarded $3.9 million to four companies to offer home charger incentives. PEV drivers that choose to participate in this program will be required to provide PEV usage data over a three-year period. This data will be used to evaluate Bay Area PEV driver charging patterns and help to inform and develop future PEV incentive programs...
Anyone here part of that program?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/~/media/Files/Adm ... ashx?la=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://chargedsv.org/wp-content/uploads ... f.pptx.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.cleancitieseastbay.org/BAAQM ... -11-11.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2010-ALT-1/doc ... -10-18.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:32 pm
by planet4ever
You gotta learn how to read bureaucratic doublespeak. First, note that they said, "up to 50." It turns out that 0 is less than 50, so they have already met that goal. Now, the next part is a bit more tricky. What they mean, though they didn't exactly say it, is that their $1.3m funding came from a government pool, and that pool "helped to fund 400 Level 2 J1772 chargers, 6 DC fast chargers, and the first Battery-Swap station in North America." So, where's the battery swap station? I dunno, but I guess it could be that it's been funded, but not built yet.

How do I know all this? Pure logic. DC fast chargers contracted and installed by a government agency are going to cost at least $50k each. J1772 stations will cost them at least $5K apiece. That's already $300K + $2000k and we haven't allowed for the probable 15% agency overhead. Let's see ... how much does that leave out of $1300k for the battery swap station?

Ray

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:41 pm
by MikeD
I believe the Etec Level 3 (Quick Charge) "UL Listing" certifications may have just occurred (at least for Models GP-208K1, GP-480K1, and GP-600K1):

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/temp ... sequence=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If so, this may mean their installations may begin any day now...

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:50 am
by waidy
SAE just release some description and photo of L3 see http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/sae/11U ... 3635303038

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:10 am
by ElectricVehicle
waidy wrote:SAE just release some description and photo of L3 see http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/sae/11U ... 3635303038
Thanks for the link Waidy! That's the first time I've seen a picture of an actual SAE dc fast charging connector. I'd seen illustrations at shows, but not actual connector hardware. It would be nice if SAE could this out fast, so we can have the DC fast charge standards war quickly and mercifully and then pick a winner ChaDEMO or the SAE, but just have it settled so that future investments in fast charging aren't wasted - PARTICULARLY THE VEHICLE PORTS!! Makes me sick how the discussions at conferences, among stakeholders often say, oh the fast charger can be converted to ChaDEMO or the SAE standard, completely ignoring the costs to consumers of having DC fast charge ports in their cars that may be obsolete - SAE or ChaDEMO - depending on who wins the battle. And the likelihood of an international standard that all countries use which would help to reduce costs, seems a bit remote...

I guess being part of the first wave, we're taking some of the risks and working all of these issues so that EVs are even better, easier and less expensive to use with a robust charging infrastructure for the next wave. Drive Electric!

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:24 am
by Spies
I suppose you missed the long thread "Jamb this in your LEAF" http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:07 pm
by planet4ever
waidy wrote:SAE just release some description and photo of L3 see http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/sae/11U ... 3635303038
Sorry, but I don't see any mention of L3 or Level 3 in that article. They do talk about ac and dc Level 1 and Level 2.

Ray

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:13 pm
by ElectricVehicle
planet4ever wrote:
waidy wrote:SAE just release some description and photo of L3 see http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/sae/11U ... 3635303038
Sorry, but I don't see any mention of L3 or Level 3 in that article. They do talk about ac and dc Level 1 and Level 2.
The standards committees have come up with really lousy names when you try to keep this all straight.

Roughly speaking:

"Level 1" (CARB) = "AC Level 1" (J1772) (SAE) = 120V <= 1.9 kW
"Level 2" (CARB) = "AC Level 2" (J1772) (SAE) = 240V <= 19.2 kW
none (CARB) = "AC Level 3" (TBD) (SAE) = 240V > 19.2 kW, single or 3 phase

"Level 3" (CARB definition) = DC Fast Charge any level

"DC Level 1" (SAE) = DC, < 36 kW
"DC Level 2" (SAE) = DC, < 90 kW = "Quick Charge" 49 kW (Nissan)
"DC Level 2" (SAE) = DC, > 90 kW

If you're still awake - try this pdf link for more about the AC/DC levels defined by SAE!!

If you're confused, blame SAE!!

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:39 pm
by planet4ever
Exactly. People on this forum keep trying to use terminology that apparently no one in the world uses except the California Air Resources Board.

Ray

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:40 pm
by ht2
MikeD wrote:I believe the Etec Level 3 (Quick Charge) "UL Listing" certifications may have just occurred (at least for Models GP-208K1, GP-480K1, and GP-600K1):

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/temp ... sequence=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If so, this may mean their installations may begin any day now...
Thanks for the update.

Is this the model?
http://www.ecotality.com/newsletter/101 ... arger.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;