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Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:47 pm
by Luft
You're a more trusting soul than I. With billions of dollars at stake I have no doubt that they are right in the middle of it.

The auto industry doesn't want the CHAdeMO standard for the United States even though it's a standard elsewhere. Even though they themselves have no other workable standard or even a vehicle that would use it.

Yeah… There is a game afoot.

mogur wrote:It's fashionable and fun to bash oil and auto companies but I seriously doubt that have anything to with this.
Luft wrote:I'm pretty sure the lack of QC stations is by design. The auto makers in the US and all oil companies have a vested interest in delaying or killing the electric car movement.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:15 pm
by padamson1
This battle is more about who gets to make money charging in the EV industry than Big Oil blocking things.
Standards battles are about Intellectual Property (IP) and royalties. Whom ever owns the IP in the standard gets royalties from everyone who wants to manufacture things that use it.

Take over-the-air digital TV as an example. In Japan the standard is ISDB-T, because almost all of the IP in that format is Japanese. In China, they created a new standard with only Chinese IP so that anyone who wants to make a receiver or transmitter for the Chinese market pays royalties to Chinese entities. To avoid paying royalties to mostly Asian countries the US was left to choose between DVB-T and ATSC. The US chose the (inferior) ATSC standard not because it was better, but because those IP interests lobbied and politicked harder than the DVB-T IP interests (DVB-T is the standard everywhere but the US and Brazil).

One can expect that the EV charging standard that the SAE choses will not be based on marketshare or technical superiority, but on which IP holders speak the loudest. I think one can guess that GM and Ford will be well represented in the standard that is chosen or created.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:29 pm
by GaslessInSeattle
I think the battle has virtually been lost with CHAdeMO the victor by virtue of being here now. While we all wait with baited breath, it feels like it's taking forever and may not even happen at all and yet in reality, for a big change like this, it's happening over night!!! In a few short months, we'll have CHAdeMO DC charging from border to border along I-5 here in WA. I believe Oregon will have the same along a similar time line also by the end of the year. BAM!

Personally, I am astonished at the momentum, while at the same time wanting to see it before truly believing it.

we live in interesting times!

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/News/2011/07/13 ... ghways.htm

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:41 pm
by garygid
I agree with the suggestion of Nissan installing their own QC stations at strategicly-located Nissan Dealers to move QC into the high-use rather than the no-use category.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:07 am
by Herm
and just outside the dealership, accessible 24 hours a day..

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:09 am
by mwalsh
garygid wrote:I agree with the suggestion of Nissan installing their own QC stations at strategicly-located Nissan Dealers to move QC into the high-use rather than the no-use category.
Lemketron asked Nissan about this in a Twitter chat from Plug-In 2011 yesterday evening. The response from Nissan was that they are planning on having L3 stations at dealers. I don't have any more details than that, because I don't Twit.

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:34 am
by EricH
Nissan's decision to make the CHAdeMO port standard equipment on the (higher-priced) 2012 SL...

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4825

...would certainly support this strategy (L3 charging at dealerships), assuming they ever implement it. :roll:

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:47 am
by walterbays
Reportedly, L3 charger availability was the key factor in Chicago being able to order the Leaf months ahead of previous schedule. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 4876.story

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:20 am
by mwalsh
walterbays wrote:Reportedly, L3 charger availability was the key factor in Chicago being able to order the Leaf months ahead of previous schedule. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 4876.story
Cool stuff! They know how to roll in Shy Town! :D

Re: L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:30 am
by edatoakrun
Good news from AAA, for LEAF and IMIEV owners.

Bad news for BEV manufacturers dragging their feet on fast charging.
For electric car drivers, that means that AAA's trucks will soon provide a "range anxiety solution" thanks to technology from Green Charge Networks. The new trucks, which will be rolled out in a limited pilot program over the next year, can offer all the standard AAA services as well as a bit of EV recharging. The trucks have a 4.5 kWh lithium-ion battery on board that can give a stranded electric car anywhere between 15 and three miles of power. This range is dependent on the type of charger the car has and because AAA doesn't like to sit for more than 15 minutes on the side of the road. If they can't solve the problem in that time, it's usually preferred to tow the car in (this is standard AAA practice). So, if the EV can take a DC fast charge using CHAdeMo, it can get around 15 miles of juice in a 15-minute charge. With a more common Level 2 J1772 charger, a car can get either six miles (using a 6.6 kW charger) or three miles (3.3 kW) in those same 15 minutes.
http://green.autoblog.com/