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Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:06 pm
by KeiJidosha
thankyouOB wrote:If people are so concerned about whether Blink is doing its job and the pace of its roll out for public chargers, why not just call them, instead of posting innuendo on this website?
I can understand valid reasons for delay, and lack of UL, or no cars would qualify, but you should at least have a plan on where you are going to install, have owner permission, and pulled permits.

But something maybe starting to happen at ECOtality. I had called EV Project to find out what is happening and talked to the Los Angeles Area Rep Robert Dickens in February. Not much info, and no map of planned sites for public charging. When you mentioned Valerie Lecesse, the LA regional chief, I went back to the website and now there is NO Los Angeles rep listed, replace by San Francisco rep Jason Smith. Also, no mention of Valerie Lecesse. Do you have a number? Did she send you a map of planned sites?

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:11 pm
by ENIAC
evnow wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:Even more surprising is why this VOICEOFSANDIEGO website prints this half-baked article on Ecotality and neither the website editorial staff nor the author makes any attempt to quote Ecotality or find out what is happening with their roll out of public stations.
Yes - poor "journalism" - if you can call it that.
If you look at the URL, it's under "letters" so it's not an "article" but rather a "letter to the editor". Would it be typical to quote sources and such in a letter to the editor? Here's the directory it's under. http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/letters

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:29 pm
by KeiJidosha
evnow wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:Even more surprising is why this VOICEOFSANDIEGO website prints this half-baked article on Ecotality and neither the website editorial staff nor the author makes any attempt to quote Ecotality or find out what is happening with their roll out of public stations.
Yes - poor "journalism" - if you can call it that.
Everything referenced is from the EV Project website. If you compare their map with their promise, it does not support their own statements. And I have also visited the few sites shown in southern California. They are legacy sites that have nothing to do with the EV Project. And if you look at the Initial area proposals you will notice they are substantially the same. And some of the info is from EV proposals from the 1990s (note the EV-1 and early Chrysler EV examples). OK to get the contract back in 2009, but I would expect actual site selection 20 months later, 3 months prior to scheduled completion.

The question stands. What is the EV Project plan for Public Charging? Where is the map?

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:34 pm
by thankyouOB
KeiJidosha wrote:
evnow wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:Even more surprising is why this VOICEOFSANDIEGO website prints this half-baked article on Ecotality and neither the website editorial staff nor the author makes any attempt to quote Ecotality or find out what is happening with their roll out of public stations.
Yes - poor "journalism" - if you can call it that.
Everything referenced is from the EV Project website. If you compare their map with their promise, it does not support their own statements. And I have also visited the few sites shown in southern California. They are legacy sites that have nothing to do with the EV Project. And if you look at the Initial area proposals you will notice they are substantially the same. And some of the info is from EV proposals from the 1990s (note the EV-1 and early Chrysler EV examples). OK to get the contract back in 2009, but I would expect actual site selection 20 months later, 3 months prior to scheduled completion.

The question stands. What is the EV Project plan for Public Charging? Where is the map?
call them up. ask them.
do some work.

The problem with chat forums and what passes for news websites in our evolving world of communication is that to many people posting think giving his or her opinion is just like reporting on something. It is not. It is just an opinion, very similar to what passes for news on cable "news." It is not journalism, and often it is not even factual. It often use facts, but that is not the same thing as being factual and fair.

What sites like this are unsurpassed at is aggregating information from a broad array of people. It works particularly well with a group who are interested in the same product and want to share information, data, fixes, etc.

It doesn't work as reporting.

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:39 pm
by KeiJidosha
thankyouOB wrote:call them up. ask them.
do some work.
Valerie Lecesse is not on the EV Project website. Do you have a number?

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:43 pm
by davewill
thankyouOB wrote:call them up. ask them.
do some work.

The problem with chat forums and what passes for news websites is that everybody on them thinks giving his or her opinion is just like reporting on something. It is not. It is just an opinion, very similar to what passes for news on cable "news."
Then why are you here, adding to the opinions? I can tell reporting from opinion, and informed opinion from speculation...sorry that you can't.

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:48 pm
by ENIAC
thankyouOB wrote:
KeiJidosha wrote:Everything referenced is from the EV Project website. If you compare their map with their promise, it does not support their own statements. And I have also visited the few sites shown in southern California. They are legacy sites that have nothing to do with the EV Project. And if you look at the Initial area proposals you will notice they are substantially the same. And some of the info is from EV proposals from the 1990s (note the EV-1 and early Chrysler EV examples). OK to get the contract back in 2009, but I would expect actual site selection 20 months later, 3 months prior to scheduled completion.

The question stands. What is the EV Project plan for Public Charging? Where is the map?
call them up. ask them.
do some work.
BS, the EV Project it's a public works project with a website. They should do some work. Get the public infrastructure built and get the website updated. That is what the DoE is paying them to do, period. And by the way, the contact doesn't stipulate if there is even a single LEAF on the road. They have been contracted to build it. Also, Ecotality shouldn't have to deal with a bunch of calls for us. But I've actually done some leg work. I was at a supposed EV Project (at least according to their map) location this weekend, the San Diego Safari Park, and there was no EVSE as their map showed.

So, let me throw it back to you. What information are you going on that there are presently more than two public chargers which Ecotality have installed in the last 18 months?

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:51 pm
by syntaxerror
thankyouOB wrote:If people are so concerned about whether Blink is doing its job and the pace of its roll out for public chargers, why not just call them, instead of posting innuendo on this website?
I have multiple times. The San Diego local contact knows me and has heard from me recently. It sounds like its more of an Ecotality management issue and not a local contact issue. We need a local charging network for the EV to succeed. Like Jimmydreams say, I too can travel to other places around San Diego county if the charging network existed.

Right now, ecotality needs now is some press to shine some light on them. With some exposure I think they will be pressured to act to install the public EVSEs.

ThankyouOB-I'm not sure if know this but Ecotality promised the San Diego community in a presentation 1,450 public L2 EVSEs in October 2010. October isn't that long ago. The following in a key slide they presented then.
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Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:56 pm
by ENIAC
thankyouOB wrote:The problem with chat forums and what passes for news websites in our evolving world of communication is that to many people posting think giving his or her opinion is just like reporting on something. It is not. It is just an opinion, very similar to what passes for news on cable "news." It is not journalism, and often it is not even factual. It often use facts, but that is not the same thing as being factual and fair.
I think we've figured out that a) the article was really a letter to the editor, i.e. opinion, b) the EV Project website conveys the information cited in the letter to the editor, and c) I have personal empirical information which confirms the allegations in the letter to the editor. So what is it exactly that are you finding isn't factual?

Re: EV Project/Blink Installs

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:58 pm
by thankyouOB
syntaxerror wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:If people are so concerned about whether Blink is doing its job and the pace of its roll out for public chargers, why not just call them, instead of posting innuendo on this website?
I have multiple times. The San Diego local contact knows me and has heard from me recently. It sounds like its more of an Ecotality management issue and not a local contact issue. We need a local charging network for the EV to succeed. Like Jimmydreams say, I too can travel to other places around San Diego county if the charging network existed.

Right now, ecotality needs now is some press to shine some light on them. With some exposure I think they will be pressured to act to install the public EVSEs.

ThankyouOB-I'm not sure if know this but Ecotality promised the San Diego community in a presentation 1,450 public L2 EVSEs in October 2010. October isn't that long ago. The following in a key slide they presented then.
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thank you for the reporting. Now, that is information.
I sent them the URL.