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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:40 pm

powersurge wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:37 am
I think that a 2016 with a bad battery would be in the $9-10K direction. For $15k you can get an already great, car, possibly newer than that.

The potential buyer is taking all of the risk and would need to do all the work of negotiations with Nissan, and then not have the car for a week... At least.
What would be the risk? You have till April 2021 to drop 1 bar. I believe a couple SOH points. With regular usage, the leaf battery drops at least 5% SOH annually.. of course more at more extreme climates.

Also, before I take a dime from the perspective buyer, WE can take this leaf to do a battery health test and verify that the BMS version is current at a Nissan Service center so buyer can see with their own eyes. So there is ZERO risk on that.

Also, this is the LEAF EV forum.. has anyone with the 8th bar ever been denied a battery replacement or had to "negotiate". It is automatic. I know, I've replaced the battery on a 2013 under the 5year warranty. Also, it takes ONE whole day because service orders the battery ahead of time. I can find the work order if you want proof. If anyone with 8 bars under warranty that had problems getting the battery replaced, please feel free to share your experience.

The benefits between a $15500 2016 Leaf with a "good" battery and $15500 with "bad" battery should be obvious especially to someone with over 1000 posts. But for the benefit of others, I'll spell it out. You could spend $15500 for a 2016 with a good 3 year old battery or you could spend $15500 to get leaf that could have a brand new battery. so Theoretically, buyer can decide to change out the battery in April of 2021.. and have a 2016 leaf with a Brand New battery whereas the "Good" leaf would then have a 5 year old battery. Ding ding ding ding ding…… What is the Value on that.. Obviously $8000 Value added is what you are telling me.

I understand that there is the "risk" you mention. But I think with members having 4000 and 1500 posts knocking my price. With the information given and your EXTENSIVE Leaf Forum Knowledge, do you want to put a wager that it won’t drop the 9th bar within warranty period. I don’t need 1500 or 4000 post to know that it is guaranteed and there is no risk. Anyone that’s driven the leaf or ran Leaf Spy would know this. Leaf battery experts are welcome to argue for and against.

Also.. in terms of price.. I don’t think I am taking advantage of any buyer.. it is a GREAT price for its selling point.. and again.. I am not asking for more than a “good” leaf price. There are buyers that would look for a car in this condition for the advantage listed. Its a little wishful to think that this should be priced at $10k.. which is much less than a 2016 Leaf S with the 24whr battery. And even a 2015 Leaf for that matter.
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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:08 pm

The interesting gotcha for this car is that the buyer has to manage with 9 bar range. The anticipated future improvement in range does not help today or the upcoming winter. And prospective buyers should understand that a replacement battery under warranty will continue the original warranty -- no resetting of the clock.

Remember that saying that a bird in hand is worth two in bush ? This offer feels like the opposite: $15k for two birds in the bush. It might make sense for OP to hold on to the car until the battery is replaced under warranty.
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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:19 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:08 pm
The interesting gotcha for this car is that the buyer has to manage with 9 bar range. The anticipated future improvement in range does not help today or the upcoming winter. And prospective buyers should understand that a replacement battery under warranty will continue the original warranty -- no resetting of the clock.

Remember that saying that a bird in hand is worth two in bush ? This offer feels like the opposite: $15k for two birds in the bush.
Ohh brother.. this 9 bar leaf has the equivalent range of a 12bar 24Kwh leaf. there's hundreds of thousand of 24kwh leaf owners stranded roadside. You might be 1 of them. Obviously this won't work for someone needing full 30kwh battery immediately. Like I said, this won't work for you.. not at your wishful price point.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:32 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:19 pm
this 9 bar leaf has the equivalent range of a 12bar 24Kwh leaf.
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Not even close.
The OP has a LeafSpy screen showing 53 Ahr of capacity.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:39 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:32 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:19 pm
this 9 bar leaf has the equivalent range of a 12bar 24Kwh leaf.
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Not even close.
The OP has a LeafSpy screen showing 53 Ahr of capacity.
Can any members with a 12bar 24kwh battery leaf post their leaf spy screen shot so I can quiet this genius? Remember SOH can be at 85% and still have 12 bars. Max ahr for 24kwh battery is 63Ahr. 0.85 * 63ah = 53Ahr.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:39 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:32 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:19 pm
this 9 bar leaf has the equivalent range of a 12bar 24Kwh leaf.
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Not even close.
The OP has a LeafSpy screen showing 53 Ahr of capacity.
Can any members with a 12bar 24kwh battery leaf post their leaf spy screen shot so I can quiet this genius? Remember SOH can be at 85% and still have 12 bars. Max ahr for 24kwh battery is 63Ahr. 0.85 * 63ah = 53Ahr.
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Genius is not required -- a little googling will do just fine
http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/barloss3/index.html

http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/barloss3/bar1loss.jpg

My 24 kWh LEAF has 11 bars. The 12th bar dropped at ~ 55 Ahr

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:39 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm
PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:39 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:32 pm
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Not even close.
The OP has a LeafSpy screen showing 53 Ahr of capacity.
Can any members with a 12bar 24kwh battery leaf post their leaf spy screen shot so I can quiet this genius? Remember SOH can be at 85% and still have 12 bars. Max ahr for 24kwh battery is 63Ahr. 0.85 * 63ah = 53Ahr.
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Genius is not required -- a little googling will do just fine
http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/barloss3/index.html

http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/barloss3/bar1loss.jpg

My 24 kWh LEAF has 11 bars. The 12th bar dropped at ~ 55 Ahr

From your link.. you can see that there was a car that lost the 1st bar at 53ahr. Each leaf is different.. some maybe even lower than that. My statement is still valid. You are trying to prove that this is a bad buy base on whether this car's current range is equivalent range to a New 11 Bar 24Kwh battery or an old 12Bar 24kwh battery. Like I said.. none of your points shows that this is a bad buy. You're proven wrong or missed the point completely. Going by what you say.. you are have a constant problem with being stuck roadside with your leaf.

Also.. your link shows that the 4th bar should drop at SOH of 66%.,. so should be soon. Like I said.. you are welcome to make a worth while wager :). Nothing better than putting money where your mouth is.
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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:47 pm

PerformanceMotors wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:39 pm

http://www.casteyanqui.com/ev/barloss3/bar1loss.jpg
From your link.. you can see that there was a car that lost the 1st bar at 53ahr.
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Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. I can see why you are a used car salesman.
The link shows that NO car made it to 53 Ahr with 12 bars, and the average of the dataset is ~ 55 Ahr.

The car you are trying to sell has the equivalent of ~ 10.5 bars in a 24 kWh LEAF
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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm

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Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:47 pm


LOL.. I didn't know there were Half bars on the leaf. This from the guy that missed the point completely with no valid points to backup. I'm done with you unless you want to put a wager. Enjoy your walk home since you have to DEAL with the Range issue on your car.

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Re: For SALE 2016 Leaf SV with 9 Bars and 30K Miles, Qualify for New 30Kwh Battery $15500

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:25 pm

Actually, he drives a Model 3 now, usually. There are indeed no half bars indicated on the Leaf dash display, but we do estimate partial bars based on the LeafSpy-derived capacity. It's like reading between the 1/4 increment markings on a fuel gauge.
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