GaleHawkins
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:40 am

webeleafowners wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:30 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:39 pm
webeleafowners wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:22 pm


It actually sounds pretty good. And the biggy, over the air updates is included. Will it just be for bug fixes or actually new cool things like Tesla.

Time will tell.
Maybe they will be like Tesla updates since the prices are more like Tesla pricing.
Could be. I’m a huge leaf fan and quite frankly our 4 year leaf experience was the best car ownership experience we have ever had. Our Tesla has big shoes to fill. But after four years it was still the same car we bought 4 years before. In 6 ish months of Tesla ownership our model 3 has changed so much. New features, improvements on others. The car changes every 2 or 3 weeks. Personally I think over the air updates will become an important selling point once people figure out what that means.

I like the look of the Ariya better than the model Y. If it features out like a model Y it would be a great alternative. Hopefully it has a towing capacity like the Y as well.

Jmho.

John.
John you make good points. I have been driving Nissan's since 1973 and have had the 2016 Leaf SL for a year and driven it 14K miles. The Leaf is awesome and with the new 150 mile range battery it is better than before. I was excited about the Ariya but currently I do not see it coming to the USA and that is due to my face to face dealing with Nissan over my battery replacement and learning the corporation was at risk of bankruptcy even pre Covid-19. The article below I found interesting.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/28/nissan- ... gh-2023/

"The company said that by 2023, it will launch eight pure EVs while expanding its hybrid technology dubbed e-Power. In speaker notes provided before yesterday’s presentation, Nissan said:

By the end of fiscal year 2023, we forecast electrified vehicles to account for 60% of our sales in Japan, 23% in China, and 50% in Europe, resulting in sales of more than 1 million units.

To be clear, the company is including hybrids in its forecast of “electrified” vehicles. And notably, Nissan did not specify the percentage of sales of battery-powered cars in the United States."

No numbers for USA market is interesting in my mind. Pre Covid-19 Nissan was planning a down sizing. Reports pre Covid-19 that 40% of USA dealers were running a negative cash flow with 10% of dealerships operating at breaking even.

I can see Nissan importing the Ariya to the USA vs setting up production in TN for the 13 EV friendly states.

Longer term (3-4 years) when Tesla' $25K car is on the market may impact the low end EV market. I wanted a Tesla when a year ago but I could not find a 3 year Telsa with under 22K miles with a new battery pack for under $14K. :)

Your info about over the air updates shows how Tesla keeps adding customer value after the sale.

webeleafowners
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:21 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:40 am
webeleafowners wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:30 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:39 pm


Maybe they will be like Tesla updates since the prices are more like Tesla pricing.
Could be. I’m a huge leaf fan and quite frankly our 4 year leaf experience was the best car ownership experience we have ever had. Our Tesla has big shoes to fill. But after four years it was still the same car we bought 4 years before. In 6 ish months of Tesla ownership our model 3 has changed so much. New features, improvements on others. The car changes every 2 or 3 weeks. Personally I think over the air updates will become an important selling point once people figure out what that means.

I like the look of the Ariya better than the model Y. If it features out like a model Y it would be a great alternative. Hopefully it has a towing capacity like the Y as well.

Jmho.

John.
John you make good points. I have been driving Nissan's since 1973 and have had the 2016 Leaf SL for a year and driven it 14K miles. The Leaf is awesome and with the new 150 mile range battery it is better than before. I was excited about the Ariya but currently I do not see it coming to the USA and that is due to my face to face dealing with Nissan over my battery replacement and learning the corporation was at risk of bankruptcy even pre Covid-19. The article below I found interesting.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/28/nissan- ... gh-2023/

"The company said that by 2023, it will launch eight pure EVs while expanding its hybrid technology dubbed e-Power. In speaker notes provided before yesterday’s presentation, Nissan said:

By the end of fiscal year 2023, we forecast electrified vehicles to account for 60% of our sales in Japan, 23% in China, and 50% in Europe, resulting in sales of more than 1 million units.

To be clear, the company is including hybrids in its forecast of “electrified” vehicles. And notably, Nissan did not specify the percentage of sales of battery-powered cars in the United States."

No numbers for USA market is interesting in my mind. Pre Covid-19 Nissan was planning a down sizing. Reports pre Covid-19 that 40% of USA dealers were running a negative cash flow with 10% of dealerships operating at breaking even.

I can see Nissan importing the Ariya to the USA vs setting up production in TN for the 13 EV friendly states.

Longer term (3-4 years) when Tesla' $25K car is on the market may impact the low end EV market. I wanted a Tesla when a year ago but I could not find a 3 year Telsa with under 22K miles with a new battery pack for under $14K. :)

Your info about over the air updates shows how Tesla keeps adding customer value after the sale.
Yah I hear you Gale. Few brief points.

- A Japanese made Arriya would not deter me from buying it...if it was the right car.
- the non thermal controlled leaf at the right price is still appealing to me if we were to go back to needing a second car. Eg, come out of retirement again. (Not likely). We live in Canada. No thermal issues here.
- in my opinion, the leaf is the right car in the wrong price point. I prefer it over all (non Tesla) EV’s. It is 23000 dollar hatchback. (US dollars or equivalent Canadian).

Again JMHO
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danrjones
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:06 pm

Still no news on the 2021 Leaf?

I've seen multiple you Tube reviews claiming to be 2021 Leaf's, though they all appear to be European or Australian.
What is really odd is that one of them said he did not like the E-Brake being a foot brake, which is really odd, because my 2018 is not a foot brake for parking. So has the European version always been different or is that a change for 2021? If that's a change, that is a backward change! Everything else I saw in the videos looked identical to the 2020. And indeed, maybe they are reviewing the 2020! But they claim it is a 2021 Leaf.

If Nissan is indeed planning to shitcan the Leaf once the Ariya comes out, I wouldn't expect updates. But if they plan to continue it, even if not is the USA or North America, then it would get updated.
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:30 pm

The electric parking brake is part of the Tech package here, so I'm sure there are plenty of Gen II Leafs around with mechanical parking brakes.
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:24 pm

After Tesla's confirmation that M3 batteries are gaining capacity, hoping we will see the 62 pack go to 70.
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:51 am

I saw on a British site that the 2021 Plus range is being listed at 390 km vs. last year's 385. So should we expect a 3 mile range increase this year?
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SageBrush
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:19 am

webeleafowners wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:21 pm
- in my opinion, the leaf is the right car in the wrong price point. I prefer it over all (non Tesla) EV’s. It is 23000 dollar hatchback. (US dollars or equivalent Canadian).
I don't think Japanese car companies can successfully compete against the Chinese in the cheap EV western market. Robert Llewellyn previewed the MG-5 ('estate' AKA station wagon to US ears) today. It starts at 25 UKP in the UK, which amounts to ~ 25k USD in the US ... before federal tax credit.

Bjorn Nyland bought an MG EV in Thailand recently and seems pretty happy with it.
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Re: 2021 model year news or predictions.

Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:00 pm

I was going to import an MG-5 after looking at them at that link, but then I saw it has no heated steering wheel, and no heated cloth seats. ;-)
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