Correct. The key issue was Chevy's less than lackluster support at launch, limited sales area, horrendous lease terms, complete ignorance of passenger comfort and a dealership that did all they could to sabotage the car.lorenfb wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:08 amRange hasn't helped the Bolt. Its sales are lackluster like the Leaf's. Yes, its features could be better, but not the key issue.
Leaf has lost a lot of following for falling behind.
Right. As I've noted before about a comparison between a smartphone and a BEV:
In my part of the USA say from Memphis TN to Louisville KY the interest in EV's are very low today. Our 2016 Leaf is the first one many have seen and most would not know a fancy car with a T on each end came from Tesla. I do a lot of selling of the EV concept one on one but we are years away from customers coming in asking to test drive an EV. Now with Nissan exiting Europe and laying off corporate wide I think it is over for the Leaf. It does seem to be a car before time but Nissan did nothing that I have seen to promote the Leaf. Without advertising Tesla built an EV brand and created demand for a Tesla. I do not think most in upper management at Nissan is losing sleep over losing the Leaf but will try to save the Nissan brand even if it means pulling all the way back to Japan. Nissan has indicated downsizing plans will be ready by May 2020. We will see. If they come very late or never come it will be telling of the future I expect. Nissan is not out cash yet but do they have enough to buy some time to reorganize?frontrangeleaf wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:04 pmI’m not convinced that the “average“ mainstream American has any interest whatsoever in driving a BEV.
I’ve spoken with dozens of people from a variety of lifestyles and interests. It’s not on their radar.
Lots of prejudice and misinformation to be sure. But more than anything no perceived benefit. As far as I can tell, BEVs are seen as a solution seeking a problem.
Drive a futuristic sports car? “Maybe, sure.” Drive an electric Corolla? “Shrug”.
Hopefully this will change. The Leaf and the Bolt and the others fail to make a compelling case to those buyers who are most interested in that segment. Until that changes, sales will lag in my opinion.
Outside of Tesla, there just hasn’t been advertising support or excitement. And the problems noted here with dealers just compound the issue.
Range anxiety is real, as is sticker shock. Our SL+ after incentives in Colorado was compelling. But that’s not the norm. Even bona fide Boulderites aren’t convinced.
We like our Leaf. A lot. Great little car. Lots of people here clearly don’t. I think that’s a shame. On the other hand, minus those incentives we’d still be on the sidelines watching and waiting.
In this sense I think the Leaf was a car before it’s time. Not quite there yet but closer than ever. Time will tell.
That is the norm and HIGHLY dependent on your location. I find this to VERY much NOT be the case in my area. Each location presents its own challenges especially in the area of personal transportation. I only need to travel 100 mile east to find a very different attitude towards plugs. Probably very similar to what you see.
I agree, based on what I see in the Piedmont area of NC from Charlotte to Greensboro. I see Teslas, and many more of them than LEAFs, and a few Volts now and then, but I've yet to see more than one Bolt in the wild around here so far, and none in dealerships despite requests to see one.