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radicalone
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:40 pm

Folks as an original happy owner of a 2011 Nissan Leaf SL (now unable to drive with battery depletion so low <50%) , we are seriously looking for best options to restore our Leaf capacity back to either it's original 100% capacity or greater.

We saw rapid decline from <70% capacity to <50% capacity in the 60,000 mile mark to less than 80,000 miles. :(

It is not clear what Nissan USA is offering users as the various messaging has changed on social media and still awaiting response after numerous letters and emails to Customer Service and Customer Journey team :?:

Could someone share what are the official options from Nissan on a full new replacement battery and refurbished battery for 2011 Nissan Leafs?

Thanks so much!

Gino aka "ICE FREE"

2020-02-09

Thanks all - These videos have been encouraging for an "eventual" higher capacity solution for Gen1 and Gen2 Leaf owners;

https://youtu.be/AlxzlQgovUA

Considering sourcing a 40 kWh pack from salvage and upgrade with Evs Enhanced solution (out of New Zealand) or Fenix systems (which seems like a stretch given their battery as a service model has biz risks - where as I would be keen to source an improved "tesla-like" battery pack with greater capacity and lower rate of degradation.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:49 pm

To the best of our knowledge, your only option is a new 24kwh battery that will have the same range yours had originally, but that will degrade much more slowly. The cost is about $5500, with Nissan taking the old battery as a "core." If true, this is a fairly good deal. If you want more capacity, then you'll have to find an independent shop willing to install a used 30kwh or 40 kwh battery in your car, with an aftermarket "bridge" to let the new battery communicate with the car. If you go that route, choose the 30kwh battery very carefully, as there have been issues with those and Nissan won't honor the battery warranty for a transplanted battery!
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:19 am

Your observations on the degradation curve could be old battery tech or simply your driving needs not being a good fit for the range the car offers. I think any money spent on a 24 kwh pack is not recommended. Despite the noise that the average American only drives XX miles and the 24 kwh LEAF has double that, yada, yada; its not going to work with everyone and it looks like you are in that segment.

With 30 kwh packs getting 40 kwh upgrades, you might be lucky enough to run across someone selling theirs cheap or something along those lines. More range allows you a ton of battery management options the 24 kwh does not provide. Its pretty easy to control the charge to something less than 100% thru the timers.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:39 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:19 am
Your observations on the degradation curve could be old battery tech or simply your driving needs not being a good fit for the range the car offers. I think any money spent on a 24 kwh pack is not recommended. Despite the noise that the average American only drives XX miles and the 24 kwh LEAF has double that, yada, yada; its not going to work with everyone and it looks like you are in that segment.

With 30 kwh packs getting 40 kwh upgrades, you might be lucky enough to run across someone selling theirs cheap or something along those lines. More range allows you a ton of battery management options the 24 kwh does not provide. Its pretty easy to control the charge to something less than 100% thru the timers.
Yes, it is much better to have more capacity, and the battery charge/ discharge cycles will be much lower. However, if your only choice from Nissan is a 24 KWH battery, then I would take it.... It has worked for me for the past 5+ years, and I would love to have the car an extra 8-10 years when my battery eventually does crap out....

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:37 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:49 pm
To the best of our knowledge, your only option is a new 24kwh battery that will have the same range yours had originally, but that will degrade much more slowly. The cost is about $5500, with Nissan taking the old battery as a "core." If true, this is a fairly good deal. If you want more capacity, then you'll have to find an independent shop willing to install a used 30kwh or 40 kwh battery in your car, with an aftermarket "bridge" to let the new battery communicate with the car. If you go that route, choose the 30kwh battery very carefully, as there have been issues with those and Nissan won't honor the battery warranty for a transplanted battery!
Fenix Power might be an option. They are offering battery as a service for a monthly fee and will install a used leaf battery with a performance guarantee against loss. They are ready to begin operations. Against a 24 KWH battery for $5500 from Nissan, this might be viable as an option. The company staying in business is a crap shoot but It offers an alternative to Nissan
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:34 am

johnlocke wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:37 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:49 pm
To the best of our knowledge, your only option is a new 24kwh battery that will have the same range yours had originally, but that will degrade much more slowly. The cost is about $5500, with Nissan taking the old battery as a "core." If true, this is a fairly good deal. If you want more capacity, then you'll have to find an independent shop willing to install a used 30kwh or 40 kwh battery in your car, with an aftermarket "bridge" to let the new battery communicate with the car. If you go that route, choose the 30kwh battery very carefully, as there have been issues with those and Nissan won't honor the battery warranty for a transplanted battery!
Fenix Power might be an option. They are offering battery as a service for a monthly fee and will install a used leaf battery with a performance guarantee against loss. They are ready to begin operations. Against a 24 KWH battery for $5500 from Nissan, this might be viable as an option. The company staying in business is a crap shoot but It offers an alternative to Nissan
I still say that this company will not even go into business due to its business model..

How can a company afford to install a new Leaf battery (that they paid for) and "hope" that you will eventually pay a monthly fee to recoup their investment. Imagine the hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in batteries that they want to put in other people's cars (customer's property) that are not paid for?

Try chasing a deadbeat customer, to legally repossess a battery out of a non-payer's property.. You can repossess a car for non-payment of the entire car, but you can't legally take the car for the battery, or steal the car's battery back while it is parked on the street.. It's like trying to repossess a bed that is not paid for by breaking into their house to get it back. It is legally impossible.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:23 pm

Battery swaps from newer cars that have been crashed have already made fenix obsolete.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:44 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:23 pm
Battery swaps from newer cars that have been crashed have already made fenix obsolete.
What is the weight difference between the 24 kWh battery and the 40 kWh battery? Is Nissan using the same cells, same energy density? Are we talking about limiting the gross weight; how about suspension changes?

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:20 pm

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/1N4BZ0CP7GC302794

Example Only:

The only photo I looked at was the one showing 10 SOH bars the best I could make out, $9K or 10K I expect may buy it. I expect due to 60K miles it is on its second battery. A call the toll free national Nissan Leaf customer relations with the VIN and just ask if the BMS update has been applied to that car yet would be my ice breaking question. They can see its Nissan dealer service history with the VIN.

Short of Nissan going out of business short term I think they will honor the 8 yr/100K mile warranty. I think the 8 year part is a fed requirement. If one checked this car out in person and it looked and drove fine for say $10K and in a year or two lost 2 more bars you should be up for a 40 kWh lithium ion Leaf battery.

I did see one showing only 8 bars. Ours was showing 9 bars and lost the 4th six weeks after we got it. I wanted it because it looked like new and was an SL with all of the options sold by Nissan in 2016. The selling Nissan dealership had the 8 year warranty printed out when I arrived and clearly stated per his Leaf tech that some time in the near future I would be getting a free battery as one of his main selling points because I had raised a question about it only showing 9/12 SOH bars. At the time I did not know the BMS update had been ran already.

Some at Nissan may not be excited about 30 kWh Leafs being bought bought cheap an then getting a $12,500 plus installation retail new battery free. I would guess the battery cost is more like $150 per kWh or around $6K.

The more happy Leaf owners they can quickly gain over the 40 kWh offering the better it will help the sale of 2020+ Leafs I expect since few in the USA even seem to know Nissan makes and sells EV's period.

MY point:

Consider paying some more for a 2016-2017 Leaf that SHIPPED with the 30 kWh battery. Only the last two months of the 2016 did the S trim start shipping with the 30 kWh battery. Now it is clear Nissan knew the BMS update was not going to fix the bad battery technology so they cut the market life of the 30 kWh line short like they did in 2011-2012 battery technology issue.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:12 pm

fotajoye wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:44 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:23 pm
Battery swaps from newer cars that have been crashed have already made fenix obsolete.
What is the weight difference between the 24 kWh battery and the 40 kWh battery? Is Nissan using the same cells, same energy density? Are we talking about limiting the gross weight; how about suspension changes?
The 2013-2019 24, 30 and 40kwh batteries are pretty much the same. Slight manufacturing and chemistry differences gave the boost in power, the module stacks are only a few mm longer in the 40kwh packs, there are only a few Kg difference between 24 and 40kwh. They bolt up the same, wire plugs are the same.
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