2012 Dec Plugin Sales Discussion : Volt 2,633 ; Leaf 1,489

December 2012 sales discussion thread.



Volt : 2,633
Leaf : 1,489
PIP : 1,361
Energi :
FFE :
i : 77
Model S : 1,500*

Fit EV : 19
RAV4 EV : 52

The number we are looking for is 1,344. If Dec Leaf sales are above that 2012 sales would be higher than 2011. Last 2 months Leaf beat 1,500.

We should get all the numbers tomorrow (?).

evnow said:

We should get all the numbers tomorrow (?).

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Yeah, I've seen Thursday at a bunch of places like http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenry/2012/12/31/u-s-auto-sales-profits-are-up-for-2012/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

I'm wanting them to announce sooner because I'm trying to roll some covered calls I have on Ford (F), but the IV of January options (and the expiration of my calls) is very high compared to later months. I'm guessing it's because of the impending sales numbers. If the IV collapses after they announce numbers, that'll likely confirm my guess.

Not sure if this was posted yet but there's this little preview re: the Volt at http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130102/AUTO0103/301020405/1121/auto01/GM--Volt-sales-tripled-in-2012" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

cwerdna said:

Not sure if this was posted yet but there's this little preview re: the Volt at http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130102/AUTO0103/301020405/1121/auto01/GM--Volt-sales-tripled-in-2012" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

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General Motors Co. said Wednesday that its 2012 sales of the plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt tripled from 2011. U.S. sales of the Volt for 2012 will top 23,000 for the year, said Michelle Malcho, a spokeswoman for GM. The Detroit automaker will report final December sales on Thursday, GM had sold 20,828 extended-range electric Volt cars through November. In 2011, it sold 7,671 Volt cars, below its forecast of 10,000 for its first full year of sales.

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So ~2,172+ Dec Volt sales. (~23,000+ minus 20,828).

From October to now, Yen has gone from 78 or 86. Or importing Leaf is 10% cheaper now for Nissan.

Volt Dec: 2,633 YTD: 23,461
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/Jan/gmsales.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://media.gm.com/dld/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/Jan/gmsales/_jcr_content/rightpar/sectioncontainer/par/download_0/file.res/Production-by-Plant-December-2012-NA.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like the Leaf sold 1,489 units in December, as per Autobloggreen.

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/01/03/chevy-volt-sales-jump-to-2-633-nissan-leaf-steady-at-1-489/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nissan LEAF, up 1.5 percent to 9,819 with December sales of 1,489 units

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http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/...download/989642c8-a6f2-4343-a327-299ee8059ffd
Wonder how many are not leased?

Toyota is finally breaking out the individual Prius family sales at http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/december+2012+sales+chart.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Interesting that Leaf beat PiP last month.

It doesn't list Rav4 EV sales though. I guess we'll have to wait for someone else to post them.

evnow said:

December 2012 sales discussion thread.

Volt : 2,633
Leaf : 1,489
PIP :
Energi :
FFE :
i :
Model S :

Fit EV :
RAV4 EV :

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Looks like

PIP: 1,766 or 11,389 for the year
Fit EV: 19 or 93 for the year


http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ales-triple-in-2013-as-buyers-models-increase

Not sure if anyone cares that much about the RAV4 EV anymore, but Toyota sold 52 in December. (192 for year)

redLEAF said:

Looks like

PIP: 1,766 or 11,389 for the year
Fit EV: 19 or 93 for the year

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ales-triple-in-2013-as-buyers-models-increase

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PIP is 1361 in Dec. 1766 was in Nov.

Statik said:

Not sure if anyone cares that much about the RAV4 EV anymore, but Toyota sold 52 in December. (192 for year)

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I care... but wow, not a good sign still. At this rate, they're not going to make their numbers of 2600 over 3 years.

cwerdna said:

Statik said:

Not sure if anyone cares that much about the RAV4 EV anymore, but Toyota sold 52 in December. (192 for year)

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I care... but wow, not a good sign still. At this rate, they're not going to make their numbers of 2600 over 3 years.

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Personally, I'd like a PHEV SUV rather than an EV. SUV is the one we tend to take on long trips.

evnow said:

redLEAF said:

Looks like

PIP: 1,766 or 11,389 for the year
Fit EV: 19 or 93 for the year

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ales-triple-in-2013-as-buyers-models-increase

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PIP is 1361 in Dec. 1766 was in Nov.

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Huh, must have been their first article draft that I saw but they corrected it ... none of these numbers are huge but at least a bit of momentum, when compared to overall car sales still a drop in the bucket. Seeing each new EV on the road is still a joy regardless.

If you look at the total number of cars with plugs the numbers are increasing at a decent rate.

In 2012, about 53,000 electric cars were likely sold--essentially triple the prior year's number.

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1081419_plug-in-electric-car-sales-triple-in-2013-as-buyers-models-increase" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KJD said:

If you look at the total number of cars with plugs the numbers are increasing at a decent rate.

In 2012, about 53,000 electric cars were likely sold--essentially triple the prior year's number.

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1081419_plug-in-electric-car-sales-triple-in-2013-as-buyers-models-increase" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Yes, if they keep tripling every year, they will be more than the total market by 2018 ;-)

Statik said:

Not sure if anyone cares that much about the RAV4 EV anymore, but Toyota sold 52 in December. (192 for year)

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I like the RAV4 EV, but it would be much more attractive to me with AWD. Two years from now, if Toyota is still selling the same RAV4 EV, they'll probably have to discount it even further.

abasile said:

Statik said:

Not sure if anyone cares that much about the RAV4 EV anymore, but Toyota sold 52 in December. (192 for year)

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I like the RAV4 EV, but it would be much more attractive to me with AWD. Two years from now, if Toyota is still selling the same RAV4 EV, they'll probably have to discount it even further.

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You are correct, specially with the new body style getting ready to come out for the gas version.

Ian B

evnow said:

From October to now, Yen has gone from 78 or 86. Or importing Leaf is 10% cheaper now for Nissan.

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so, is it cheaper for nissan to export or import to the usa now?
are they still making leaf in japan?will they export the us made car?if they export will this exchange rate change be good for price or bad?