mmmike
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed May 12, 2021 7:14 am

Stanton wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 am
I gave the salvaged car to the installer as payment (he's a nice guy). Plus, we are going to split the cost of my old battery pack (when he parts that out).
12k$ that seems pretty reasonable for basically a new car. I guess how much money he can get out of the carcass depends on how much effort he puts into parting out the individual pieces.

It amazes me that used cells like your old ones are selling for more than $100 on ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/232064782260?h ... SwvzRXxQrD

So if I'm thinking right, y'all will gross more than $4800 just from selling the old cells.
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alozzy
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Wed May 12, 2021 8:30 am

Stanton wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 6:45 am
alozzy wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 9:11 am
Stanton wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 am
Here's a link to the blog post about my battery pack upgrade story: https://www.electricauto.org/blog/keepi ... issan-leaf
We'll written article! What did you do with the salvage title 2020 LEAF SV, after the 40 kWh pack was removed? Are you parting it out, or did you sell it to a local wrecker?
I gave the salvaged car to the installer as payment (he's a nice guy). Plus, we are going to split the cost of my old battery pack (when he parts that out).
Interesting, thanks!
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ajbessinger
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:27 pm

We just recently did a 62kwh swap into a 2012 LEAF at the shop where I work. It went pretty well, although there area few hiccups to doing it in a 2011-2012. The main thing is that the SOC and "Guess-O-Meter" will not show the right info most of the time, and we also had a couple issues with DCFC (which should be fixable with a couple tweaks if the customer decides to bring the car back, they didn't seem too concerned with the ability to fast charge).

On a 2013 or newer LEAF this swap should go over pretty much without a hitch. Smaller batteries can also be swapped into 2011-12 without any issues. The cost to do a battery swap is approx. $2,500, plus the cost of the battery itself. This cost includes the communication module, adapter parts, and all labor required for the swap. We can assist in finding a battery, or you can bring your own. Battery pricing can vary depending on the source, but to give ballpark figures, a 62kwh pack costs around $8-10k, 40kwh about $6-8k, 30kwh $4-6k, etc.

Here's a quick YouTube video we put together of the swap:
https://youtu.be/3jyZKoifTRo

alozzy
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 am

a 62kwh pack costs around $8-10k, 40kwh about $6-8k, 30kwh $4-6k
The problem is, a 2013 SV LEAF like mine, with 11 capacity bars, is still worth $8-9k USD in Washington State. A 2018 LEAF, with a 40 kWh pack, sells for about $16-18k. So, for $8-10k net I can sell my Leaf and buy a 2018 Leaf - about the same cost as a 40 kWh battery pack upgrade. It just doesn't make sense at that price to do an upgrade...
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ajbessinger
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:17 pm

alozzy wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 am
a 62kwh pack costs around $8-10k, 40kwh about $6-8k, 30kwh $4-6k
The problem is, a 2013 SV LEAF like mine, with 11 capacity bars, is still worth $8-9k USD in Washington State. A 2018 LEAF, with a 40 kWh pack, sells for about $16-18k. So, for $8-10k net I can sell my Leaf and buy a 2018 Leaf - about the same cost as a 40 kWh battery pack upgrade. It just doesn't make sense at that price to do an upgrade...
It may not be a decision that makes the most sense for everyone, and that's OK. I would agree that the 40kwh upgrade is not the best value by any means, but unfortunately that can be blamed on the market for used packs, but, some people like their older LEAFs, and would prefer to keep their existing car than buy a new one. I can guarantee you though that for an extra $2k to put in a 62kwh pack upgrade (net cost of approx. $12k), you could not get a newer 62kwh LEAF+ for less than that net cost (the cheapest used LEAF+ I could find anywhere in the country is just under $25k).

A few other things that may factor in to making a decision on a pack upgrade. In a mild/cooler climate like WA, the older LEAF batteries certainly do hold up pretty well over time. In warmer climates like here in Southern California, or in Arizona, you'd probably be lucky to have more than 8-9 bars remaining on a 2013. While the value on "newer" LEAFs here is about the same as up there, the older ones are not worth nearly as much down here, maybe $6k for a really nice one, but more realistically $4-5k.

Also, don't forget about sales tax and higher insurance premiums you'll be paying on the newer car. As I understand it, sales tax on a car in WA could run upwards of 10%, here in California, it's usually about 8%. While you would still be paying sales tax on the new battery, it would be less than that of purchasing a car. I can't speak to the specific registration fees in WA, but here in California, registration fees are somewhat based on the value of the vehicle, so a newer car also means you'll be paying higher annual registration fees.

In all reality, it's kind of a decision on a case-by-case basis for people to make on their own whether they think it's worth it or not.

jjeff
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Re: Battery Upgrades are very possible

Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:11 pm

In MN the tab fee for a 2011 Leaf would be $35+ various taxes plus the $50?? EV fee. For a newer Leaf it would be >$500! Besides the $50? EV fee for tabs and the various "taxes" that probably equal 20 or so odd dollars, it's based off the original retail value of the car less 10% each year, until 10 years when it's $35(plus the other taxes and EV fee if an EV) regardless of the current value of the car.
In MN one gets screwed on a somewhat older Leaf as it goes off the original MSRP and not the current value(screwed because a Leaf depreciates much more than 10%/yr) but again after 10 years you can have a $100,000 car and only pay $35+ misc. for yearly tabs.
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