dmacarthur
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat May 01, 2021 2:20 pm

S+ 890 miles 4.9 miles/kWh. ~50% highway

SV+ 360 miles 4.5 miles/kWh ~25% highway (and a bit slower highway as well)
Curious: do you accept the Leaf number of miles/ kWh, or do you use Leafspy to get more accurate numbers? in other words, does the GOM accurately compute miles/kWh?
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat May 01, 2021 4:53 pm

dmacarthur wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 2:20 pm
S+ 890 miles 4.9 miles/kWh. ~50% highway

SV+ 360 miles 4.5 miles/kWh ~25% highway (and a bit slower highway as well)
Curious: do you accept the Leaf number of miles/ kWh, or do you use Leafspy to get more accurate numbers? in other words, does the GOM accurately compute miles/kWh?
Interesting concept. I will add that to my data list and report back.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 19,653 mi, 93.47% SOH
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sat May 01, 2021 5:01 pm

The S+ is based on the dash efficiency. The SV+ is based on the Nissan Connect app metrics.

Certainly take it all with a grain of salt. I don't Leaf Spy every little trip, just the journies. LeafSpy rounds to the nearest mile, otherwise has been accurate to +/-.1 with the dash efficiency for my trips over 50 miles.

I can post the hand full of trips logs if anyone is interested.
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dmacarthur
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 am

LeafSpy rounds to the nearest mile, otherwise has been accurate to +/-.1 with the dash efficiency for my trips over 50 miles.
Thanks for this, I saw on one of the EV efficiency sites that Teslas are rated as the most efficient but they are only rated at about 25 kWh/ mile or 4 miles/kWh........ not uncommon for Leafs to get this or better, even tho Leafs are listed well down the list for efficiency. Which poses the question: what is the real-world efficiency of electric vehicles? we know Leafs from our own experience and from people sharing on this forum, are there Tesla owners here who can share actual data? is it possible that Tesla has technology that makes their motors more efficient, or do they cook the books somehow?
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knightmb
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 5:44 am

dmacarthur wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 am
Thanks for this, I saw on one of the EV efficiency sites that Teslas are rated as the most efficient but they are only rated at about 25 kWh/ mile or 4 miles/kWh........ not uncommon for Leafs to get this or better, even tho Leafs are listed well down the list for efficiency. Which poses the question: what is the real-world efficiency of electric vehicles? we know Leafs from our own experience and from people sharing on this forum, are there Tesla owners here who can share actual data? is it possible that Tesla has technology that makes their motors more efficient, or do they cook the books somehow?
Depends on the model. The model 3 actually gets 5 miles / kilowatt hour, read it somewhere on here....
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 6:27 am

knightmb wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 5:44 am
dmacarthur wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 am
Thanks for this, I saw on one of the EV efficiency sites that Teslas are rated as the most efficient but they are only rated at about 25 kWh/ mile or 4 miles/kWh........ not uncommon for Leafs to get this or better, even tho Leafs are listed well down the list for efficiency. Which poses the question: what is the real-world efficiency of electric vehicles? we know Leafs from our own experience and from people sharing on this forum, are there Tesla owners here who can share actual data? is it possible that Tesla has technology that makes their motors more efficient, or do they cook the books somehow?
Depends on the model. The model 3 actually gets 5 miles / kilowatt hour, read it somewhere on here....
It all depends if we are looking at wall to wheels which is what we "should" be looking at. Like any EV, we can do very well or not and its mostly dependent upon ourselves. Sure some cars make it easier but that does not seem to be the main determining factor.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 19,653 mi, 93.47% SOH
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dmacarthur
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 7:49 am

My in-laws Tesla reads out kWh/mile, which is analogous to using gallons per mile for ICE...... actually a bit more intuitive and a better indicator of what we SHOULD be paying attention to- people like those huge numbers such as 60 MPG when in actual fact we would understand better our gasoline (or electricity) use if we used gallons/mile: going from 45 to 60 MPG saves 6 thousandths of a gallon ever mile, or 60 gallons in ten thousand miles. Getting a car off the road that gets 20 MPG and substituting one that gets 60 MPG would save 340 gallons over the same period. also analogous to using U-value to rate insulation, R-50 is the tiniest bit better insulation than R-40 but it sounds MUCH better. U-value of .025 vs. .020 Saves one thousandth of a BTU per square foot per hour per degree differential from the normal, worth it only if the cost is minimal....
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 10:00 am

I do like the watts/mile reporting style.

In general I am a conservative driver and rarely run hvac unless my wife is in the car. That helps my averages a bit during the year. I do feel like the persona of an average Leaf driver is fairly conservative, so it doesn't surprise me that many can overperform the EPA figures. For the drives my wife does, she is much closer to the epa norms especially in winter, and doesn't care much about the efficiency as long as the car can get her where she needs to go. The rest is mainly just noise to her...though occasionally she humors me and listens to my banter.
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dmacarthur
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 5:31 pm

The rest is mainly just noise to her...though occasionally she humors me and listens to my banter.
We talking about my car-mate here also? exactly the same story..... except I seldom get humored for very long and there is usually a yawn or 2 involved.....
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun May 02, 2021 5:49 pm

It does sound like it.

Here is my Leafspy log. There are two pairs of 67 and 66 mile drives. Those were between Skokie and Sandwich IL. The 108 and 111 mile drives were the round trip between Skokie and Pontiac IL. I was generally at or above the speed limits for the trips (though with gentle acceleration to speed). We didnhave some traffic on way to the highway in a couple cases, which explains the slightly long trip times. Driving on the 294 bypass around Chicago tends to have large number of fast moving trucks, which feels like it helps overall efficiency a bit in both directions.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dw_-Bj ... p=drivesdk

While it's no Tesla, I am pretty happy with the efficiency at freeway speeds on the 16" aero rims. I. Thinking of taping the front non-existent fog lamp slots for my next drive as there are lots of opportunities to smooth the front of the car to improve aero.
2019 S Plus (93.86% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (93.35% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

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