# of miles before losing the first battery capacity bar

0-10,000
7%
28
10,001-20,000
20%
83
20,001-30,000
28%
114
30,001-40,000
24%
97
40,001-50,000
12%
50
50,001-60,000
4%
15
60,001+
6%
23
 
Total votes: 410
GaleHawkins
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:12 pm

2016 SL purchased Oct 2019 showing 21.5K miles and missing 3 SOH bars. Lost 4 bar 13 Dec 2019 at 24,808 miles.

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:45 am

Can we do a similar poll, except this time show years instead of miles.

Then a third pole showing a intersection of both variables?
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powersurge
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:39 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:45 am
Can we do a similar poll, except this time show years instead of miles.

Then a third pole showing a intersection of both variables?
I just turned owning my 2015 to 5 years last week.
I have not dropped any bars,
I have put 63,000 miles on her, and have 92% SOH

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:37 pm

That’s fantastic.

Do you fast charge at all?
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
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Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
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powersurge
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:26 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:37 pm
That’s fantastic.

Do you fast charge at all?
Yes, at least once per month when I am low to get home, there is a free QC on a highway "Welcome Center" near work. But I only let the QC charge to about 80% because going higher takes a LONG time...

I think that I lucked out with the battery because I bought the car as the it was being delivered to the dealer... Right off the truck, and the car spent NO time sitting on a lot for months... It felt great... Like getting fresh bread at the Bakery!

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Nubo
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:57 am

powersurge wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:26 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:37 pm
That’s fantastic.

Do you fast charge at all?
Yes, at least once per month when I am low to get home, there is a free QC on a highway "Welcome Center" near work. But I only let the QC charge to about 80% because going higher takes a LONG time...

I think that I lucked out with the battery because I bought the car as the it was being delivered to the dealer... Right off the truck, and the car spent NO time sitting on a lot for months... It felt great... Like getting fresh bread at the Bakery!
Same here; car still had the protective plastic sheeting from transport and had to wait for them to prep it. Hit 5 years at the beginning of November and still has all 12 bars. Only about 26000 miles, but still a markedly better battery performance than the 2012 I leased.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:26 am

arnis wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:36 am
Yesterday was the 5th anniversary of my 2014 Leaf. 148500km, 92200mi. Still haven't lost my first bar, SOH ~87%.

Secret sauce - keep it charged at 80% by default. You can charge as soon as you want (if battery is not hot).
Don't be afraid to drain down to 3% on weekly basis.
Don't be afraid to continue charging above 80% in winter to compensate for range loss due to cold weather BEFORE departure.
Keep temperature up to 5 bars for most of the time.
Do not recharge above low battery warning if above 7 bars. It's ok to continue the trip and quick charging until destination.
Rapid charge for short time - I often charged 10 minutes, just to reach destination or next charger. Then charge on 230V.
If battery is warm (6 bars or more) - be gentle - don't floor it, just drive fast, up to 105km/h(65mph) is really ok for gen1.
You won't build up more heat this way and you will lose heat after rapid charging.

Right now it is the hottest weather for my Leaf, 29*C in shade. Battery 29-32*C, 6 bars. I can't get above 6 bars without QC.
We have a 2015 Ser here at 145,000 miles with 12 bars who violated well over half your suggestions. Might want to consider your climate's contributions to your effort. FYI; since his car is newer than yours, it makes sense that his SOH is higher than yours.
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:02 pm

Looks like I should make at least 40,000 miles on this battery before the first bar drops.
Not going to make it another 10,000 miles on 3/4 of a %.
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:51 pm

Few weeks ago 100 000 miles (162 000km) whoosed by.
SOH spiked to 94% just before winter.
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I still.. very often... discharge below 5%. Much much more often than charge to 100%.
It looks like low SOC is really OK. Like... it must be. Otherwise my battery wouldn't be in an excellent state.

So recommendation "keep it between 20%-80%" doesn't hold.
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Re: Poll : Number of miles before losing the first bar

Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:57 pm

So recommendation "keep it between 20%-80%" doesn't hold.

Not in your usage case, in your cold climate. Your pack could use a full charge to equalize the cells, though.
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