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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:32 pm

cwerdna wrote:
apvbguy wrote:it's not so much dealers making claims that aren't true, they are not too well informed and are presenting the numbers that they see on the stickers.
I don't think any of the stickers state the range of the Leaf is 100 miles.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11574" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; shows a 75 mile range. Even if they were to use that, they should mention some caveats.
IIRC there was some supposition that some less-well-informed salesmen were getting the MPGe numbers mixed up with range. It is unfortunate that that worthless number is prominently displayed on the sticker.
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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:43 pm

I don't think the salesman that told me I could get 140 miles was less-well-informed.

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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:51 pm

springbank wrote:I don't think the salesman that told me I could get 140 miles was less-well-informed.
Hah! He must have meant kilometers... ;)
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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:32 pm

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mwalsh wrote:
drees wrote:There, fixed that for ya. But I would accept consider 65 mph and VLBW.
Yep that would be my threshold for acceptability too. Legal freeway speeds to VLBW. Though my preference would also be to add "in any driving conditions (weather, terrain, etc...), with a fully charged battery". The latter was what ill-fated Coda was aiming for, and I believe with their battery pack they were probably good for it.
FWIW, even though the speed highway speed limits on the highways near where I live are 65 mph, I find myself going ~68 to 72 in my Prius. A few weeks ago on a Saturday morning, for some reason, Nor Cal felt like LA. :o I suddenly found myself being tailgated going 78 mph (in a 65) :roll: by a Yaris on either highway 85 or 17 north in the fast lane. Once I was finally able move over, one of the speed demons in a Ferrari w/no plates blew by me.

As for legal, depends on where. The limit is 70 mph on much of I-5. Nobody in a car goes just 70 mph there. Texas has some 75 mph, 80 and even 85 mph speed limit highways: http://abcnews.go.com/US/speeding-texas ... d=17549839" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
I'd put the standard even higher, a minimum of 100 miles @ the Interstate speed limit in any state (at least 75, with 80 preferred), from 100%-LBW with at least 10% (10 mile minimum) range reserve, in any temp between 0-40C (32-104 deg. F), free use of HVAC, and with the battery at 70% (EoL), but that requires over 200 miles of EPA range. Realistically, the only car that can do that now is the Tesla S-85, with the S-60 marginal towards the end of battery life or in edge conditions. For the 2nd gen affordable BEVs, we'll probably have to settle for 1 hour at a minimum of 65 mph, conditions as above. Even that will require at least 125 miles EPA. Boosting the requirement to make it 1 hour from 80%-LBW, as would be the case with a QC, pushes the required range well over 150 miles EPA
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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:54 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:IIRC there was some supposition that some less-well-informed salesmen were getting the MPGe numbers mixed up with range. It is unfortunate that that worthless number is prominently displayed on the sticker.
Yes, it happened at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11867" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:06 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:IIRC there was some supposition that some less-well-informed salesmen were getting the MPGe numbers mixed up with range. It is unfortunate that that worthless number is prominently displayed on the sticker.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:27 pm

evnow wrote: Then we are looking at something like 150 mile EPA range (100%), right ?
That sounds about right - at least for the first year of ownership in a moderate climate, etc.etc.etc

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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:43 pm

does any one have a pdf of a 2011 window sticker?

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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:48 pm

^^^
No, but I found http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/dec ... r-mpg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; along w/some images by Googling for 2011 nissan leaf window sticker.

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Re: Shaming of dealers, reps, etc. saying Leaf's range is 10

Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:41 pm

my local dealer still has the carboard sign that says 100 mile range in the front showroom

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