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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:15 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:22 am
Here's another 4 bar loser.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan. ... 3512355120 - initials GT:
"2016 30kwh. Dealer informed me today it was approved for the 40kwh. Now waiting for them to ship the battery and for the warranty swap. It may be a couple weeks..."

Don't know where they're located. If someone has time, they're more than welcome to post updates to my last list. If not, I should be able to find some time over Thanksgiving or in December.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am

fergy126 wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:45 pm
Can anyone tell me how far off I am from losing my 4th bar?

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 80882 miles, 51.598AHr, SOH 64.92% been down to three bars for about 5-6 months, firmware update completed.
Lost my 4th bar this morning.

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 83077 miles, 51.10AHr, SOH 64.29%, firmware update completed.

I need to start putting my warranty plan together. My ride to work is 45 miles and I have been making it with about 3-4 miles from VLBW. That's driving with 40psi tires, no heat (34 degF this morning) and staying under 64mph on the highway. I want to exhaust as much of my current battery before utilizing the warranty.

I'm open to advice and recommendations.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am

If you are saying that you want to stay with the degraded battery for a while longer, try 60MPH indicated, and you can maybe use a little heat: 68F or lower, blower on Low, partial recirculation engaged. If necessary, run the heat for just the first or last part of the commute, whichever does more good.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:01 pm

fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am
fergy126 wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:45 pm
Can anyone tell me how far off I am from losing my 4th bar?

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 80882 miles, 51.598AHr, SOH 64.92% been down to three bars for about 5-6 months, firmware update completed.
Lost my 4th bar this morning.

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 83077 miles, 51.10AHr, SOH 64.29%, firmware update completed.

I need to start putting my warranty plan together. My ride to work is 45 miles and I have been making it with about 3-4 miles from VLBW. That's driving with 40psi tires, no heat (34 degF this morning) and staying under 64mph on the highway. I want to exhaust as much of my current battery before utilizing the warranty.

I'm open to advice and recommendations.
But why?

If you're trying to extend the battery warranty coverage, it wouldn't matter, since the warranty is for 100k miles from when you first got the car, not for the battery (the replacement batteries no longer carry an additional 100k warranty on them). The replacement battery will probably carry the same coverage as repair items (usually 1-year from time of install).

If you're trying to extend the miles that your car can be used for, it'll be much easier living with a 4-lost bar 40kwh pack (remaining range of ~90 miles - 60% of 150miles) than a 4-lost bar 30kwh pack (remaining range of ~60 miles - 60% of 107 miles). With the larger pack, you should be able to drive for much longer before its range becomes unusable (assuming 60 miles is the limit, that should be around 40% or 7-bars lost).

If you're worried about rapidgate, at the larger pack size, you'd only need 1 chademo charge for every 2 chademo charges of the smaller pack.

There doesn't seem to be a good reason for living with a degraded pack for longer than you need to? Especially now that we're in the winter months and you're sacrificing the heater for it.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:29 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:01 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am
fergy126 wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:45 pm
Can anyone tell me how far off I am from losing my 4th bar?

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 80882 miles, 51.598AHr, SOH 64.92% been down to three bars for about 5-6 months, firmware update completed.
Lost my 4th bar this morning.

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 83077 miles, 51.10AHr, SOH 64.29%, firmware update completed.

I need to start putting my warranty plan together. My ride to work is 45 miles and I have been making it with about 3-4 miles from VLBW. That's driving with 40psi tires, no heat (34 degF this morning) and staying under 64mph on the highway. I want to exhaust as much of my current battery before utilizing the warranty.

I'm open to advice and recommendations.
But why?

If you're trying to extend the battery warranty coverage, it wouldn't matter, since the warranty is for 100k miles from when you first got the car, not for the battery (the replacement batteries no longer carry an additional 100k warranty on them). The replacement battery will probably carry the same coverage as repair items (usually 1-year from time of install).

If you're trying to extend the miles that your car can be used for, it'll be much easier living with a 4-lost bar 40kwh pack (remaining range of ~90 miles - 60% of 150miles) than a 4-lost bar 30kwh pack (remaining range of ~60 miles - 60% of 107 miles). With the larger pack, you should be able to drive for much longer before its range becomes unusable (assuming 60 miles is the limit, that should be around 40% or 7-bars lost).

If you're worried about rapidgate, at the larger pack size, you'd only need 1 chademo charge for every 2 chademo charges of the smaller pack.

There doesn't seem to be a good reason for living with a degraded pack for longer than you need to? Especially now that we're in the winter months and you're sacrificing the heater for it.
I'm looking at it from the perspective of life beyond 100k miles. I'm fairly confident Nissan will approve my warranty claim for a replacement pack and I know that the replacement 40Kwh pack won't be covered beyond 100k miles and I know I have to drive to work ~500 miles a week. Why not get as much as I can out of my current 30kwh pack before submitting the claim so that when the 40Kwh pack is installed I "didn't leave any Ah on the table" with the old pack.

You've absolutely right though winter is coming and the novelty of driving to work with an electric blanket and gloves may wear off sooner than i think.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:06 pm

fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:29 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:01 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am


Lost my 4th bar this morning.

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 83077 miles, 51.10AHr, SOH 64.29%, firmware update completed.

I need to start putting my warranty plan together. My ride to work is 45 miles and I have been making it with about 3-4 miles from VLBW. That's driving with 40psi tires, no heat (34 degF this morning) and staying under 64mph on the highway. I want to exhaust as much of my current battery before utilizing the warranty.

I'm open to advice and recommendations.
But why?

If you're trying to extend the battery warranty coverage, it wouldn't matter, since the warranty is for 100k miles from when you first got the car, not for the battery (the replacement batteries no longer carry an additional 100k warranty on them). The replacement battery will probably carry the same coverage as repair items (usually 1-year from time of install).

If you're trying to extend the miles that your car can be used for, it'll be much easier living with a 4-lost bar 40kwh pack (remaining range of ~90 miles - 60% of 150miles) than a 4-lost bar 30kwh pack (remaining range of ~60 miles - 60% of 107 miles). With the larger pack, you should be able to drive for much longer before its range becomes unusable (assuming 60 miles is the limit, that should be around 40% or 7-bars lost).

If you're worried about rapidgate, at the larger pack size, you'd only need 1 chademo charge for every 2 chademo charges of the smaller pack.

There doesn't seem to be a good reason for living with a degraded pack for longer than you need to? Especially now that we're in the winter months and you're sacrificing the heater for it.
I'm looking at it from the perspective of life beyond 100k miles. I'm fairly confident Nissan will approve my warranty claim for a replacement pack and I know that the replacement 40Kwh pack won't be covered beyond 100k miles and I know I have to drive to work ~500 miles a week. Why not get as much as I can out of my current 30kwh pack before submitting the claim so that when the 40Kwh pack is installed I "didn't leave any Ah on the table" with the old pack.

You've absolutely right though winter is coming and the novelty of driving to work with an electric blanket and gloves may wear off sooner than i think.
And I thought that was what you were trying to achieve, so I covered that in the first scenario. Whether you try to live with 60-miles of range with a degraded 30kwh pack, or a degraded 40kwh pack, it would take the same amount of effort. The difference is that with the 40kwh pack, that point in the pack is at around a 7-bar loss (40% capacity remaining), a point that should be WAY out into the future (possibly more than 150k miles later - ~230k miles on your odometer). There would likely be more used EV options out there by that time (or even a replacement pack like how some 2011 leaf owners are upgrading their packs on their own), so you might not even need to endure it at all.

Instead, make sure you practice good care of the new pack. My cousin, who lives in a climate that's similar to Atlanta, has a 40kwh leaf, and he has yet to lose 15% of range after 3 years and 45k miles, this is where I got that 150k guesstimate from.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:05 am

fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am
fergy126 wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:45 pm
Can anyone tell me how far off I am from losing my 4th bar?

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 80882 miles, 51.598AHr, SOH 64.92% been down to three bars for about 5-6 months, firmware update completed.
Lost my 4th bar this morning.

2017 Leaf S, Augusta, GA.

Current stats via LeafSpy: 83077 miles, 51.10AHr, SOH 64.29%, firmware update completed.

I need to start putting my warranty plan together. My ride to work is 45 miles and I have been making it with about 3-4 miles from VLBW. That's driving with 40psi tires, no heat (34 degF this morning) and staying under 64mph on the highway. I want to exhaust as much of my current battery before utilizing the warranty.

I'm open to advice and recommendations.
I think waiting is a VERY bad idea. Get the ball rolling now. They will tell you 4-8 weeks to get a pack but that rarely happens. Under two weeks seems to be the norm but if packs are shipped in cycles, you want to be in line ASAP. A 40 kwh upgrade is life changing. Yeah, laugh...its just a car, right?

Been there, done that and trust me...its ....well you will know soon enough.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:47 am

fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:29 pm
I'm looking at it from the perspective of life beyond 100k miles. I'm fairly confident Nissan will approve my warranty claim for a replacement pack and I know that the replacement 40Kwh pack won't be covered beyond 100k miles and I know I have to drive to work ~500 miles a week. Why not get as much as I can out of my current 30kwh pack before submitting the claim so that when the 40Kwh pack is installed I "didn't leave any Ah on the table" with the old pack.
Lot's of reasons, but they come down to the old saying that "a bird in the hand is easily worth 1.1 birds in the bush."

TODAY, Nissan is offering a 40 kWh replacement pack
The future is uncertain:
Nissan may decide to no longer offer 40 kWh replacement packs
Nissan may go BK and your warranty may not be honored at all
Nissan may decide to honor your warranty with a crappy refurb pack
Nissan may decide to honor your warranty with a crappy 40 kWh pack (if they do not already.)
You may decide to sell your car, and your sacrifice today was wasted
Your car may develop repair issues you decide are not worth paying for, and your sacrifice today was wasted
Your car may be involved in an accident and then not only will the replacement value be less, your sacrifice today was wasted

I presume there are others; these are just off the top of my head
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:43 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:47 am
fergy126 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:29 pm
I'm looking at it from the perspective of life beyond 100k miles. I'm fairly confident Nissan will approve my warranty claim for a replacement pack and I know that the replacement 40Kwh pack won't be covered beyond 100k miles and I know I have to drive to work ~500 miles a week. Why not get as much as I can out of my current 30kwh pack before submitting the claim so that when the 40Kwh pack is installed I "didn't leave any Ah on the table" with the old pack.
Lot's of reasons, but they come down to the old saying that "a bird in the hand is easily worth 1.1 birds in the bush."

TODAY, Nissan is offering a 40 kWh replacement pack
The future is uncertain:
Nissan may decide to no longer offer 40 kWh replacement packs
Nissan may go BK and your warranty may not be honored at all
Nissan may decide to honor your warranty with a crappy refurb pack
Nissan may decide to honor your warranty with a crappy 40 kWh pack (if they do not already.)
You may decide to sell your car, and your sacrifice today was wasted
Your car may develop repair issues you decide are not worth paying for, and your sacrifice today was wasted
Your car may be involved in an accident and then not only will the replacement value be less, your sacrifice today was wasted

I presume there are others; these are just off the top of my head
Your 2nd and last point are on point.

I dropped our Leaf off 30 Dec 2019 and picked it up on 12 Feb 2020. Thankfully a National Leaf Rep saved the day. In January Carlos gave a press conference stating Nissan would be in bankruptcy in 2022 and that was pre Pandemic. Before that I didn't know only half of USA Nissan dealerships were profitable.

7 Nov 2020 a teenager ran a red light and totally our 2016 Leaf SL. Day before yesterday my son and I made space in one bay of our shop and stripped off the front cap and damaged parts in front the motor and forward. Some how the front camera still worked but the Toyota van was hit in the right rear door and landed on its roof after shearing the first 18 inches of the nose of our Leaf. It missed our front wheels by 6 inches just missing the frame and motor. A picture of it is in the current T bone accident thread. Thankfully all 5 doors open and close well and the car is still drivable. When our check arrives we will find a donor Leaf.

Yes if one is due a new 40 kWh battery get it YESTERDAY.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:15 pm

Thank you all for your input, I have scheduled my Warranty appointment for this weekend.

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