JonoNZ
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:34 pm

The failure in my charger was pretty significant, so I'm not sure it's something that would happen slowly.

The car itself has insulation monitoring circuitry that will detect a short to chassis, so it's pretty unlikely that anything is damaged that badly if the car still drives and charges normally.

2011 Leaf? If so, you should be able to pull up the rear seats and see the charger. If the smell is really bad at that point, then it might be worth starting to plan for a replacement charger...

If there's no more smell there, I wouldn't worry too much and just keep using it.

rpmdk
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:59 pm

Thanks for that, I'll try to have a look this weekend.

ewaka
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:06 am

I have another question, its been pointed out to me that the fast charger does not use the on board charger, my car wont charge on either fast or slow charge i am wondering if this is relevant to my diagnosis of crook on board charger?

JonoNZ
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:16 pm

Oh wow, sorry for the slow response! I've been out of the country and I didn't seem to get a notification that there was a new post!

The fast charger DOES use the onboard charger, but only for communications/signalling. The power connection is direct to the battery pack.

If the on-board charger is completely toast (not talking on the CAN, potentially no internal supplies active) then you wouldn't be able to charge from a DC fast-charger, so that fault description is consistent with your issue.

JonoNZ
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:18 pm

rpmdk wrote:Thanks for that, I'll try to have a look this weekend.
How did you get on? Car still working normally etc?

rpmdk
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:00 pm

It's been working fine. Charged properly every night since, haven't smelled burning plastic again. So I haven't taken it into the shop. I'm probably going to trade it in on a 2018, so I'm hoping I can just ignore it until then.

coulomb
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:34 am

I realise that this is an old topic, but the following may be of use to other intrepid charger repairers.

The Mitsubishi iMiEV has a Nichicon On Board Charger that appears to be similar in many respects to the one in at least early Leafs. For example, compare the OP's burned capacitor (it might actually be a relay, or two small capacitors near the relay) with the AC filter from an iMiEV charger:

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I note that the components that frequently blow in the iMiEV chargers are the small blue (with green tinge) capacitors to the right of the potted "cage", and the square component near them is a relay (the pre-charge relay), not a capacitor. The Nissan charger has three pre-charge resistors (white blocks to the left of the cage), whereas the iMiEV charger has only two. One of the iMiEV pre-charge resistors is larger than the other, and contains an integral fuse. When the iMiEV small capacitors blow, they can cause quite a mess including that black muck, and could well be the cause of the OP's fault. I'm not convinced that the OP's large capacitor (which I think may be the PFC capacitor) has vented; it could all be "fall out" from whatever happened in the AC filter cage.

The cause of the iMiEV charger failures is not yet determined. One of the prevailing theories is that when the charge is suddenly interrupted for whatever reason (mains failure, in the iMiEV's case it could be the 20 A DC fuse on the charger's output going open circuit from metal fatigue), the energy in the charger's inductors has nowhere to go except into those tiny capacitors, which can't absorb that much energy, and consequently fail spectacularly.

Edit: there is a lot of useful information in the following myimiev.com topic, including some partial schematic traces (only at the edges so far, but includes the AC filter components), and even an intriguing X-ray photo of the Waffle Plate™ (a potted assembly with most of the high power semiconductors).

Troubleshooting and repair for On-board Charger (OBC), DC-DC Converter.
2012 Leaf with new battery May 2019. New to me June 2019.

JonoNZ
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:06 am

The location is definitely a film capacitor in the Leaf. Mine was melted and you could see the foil.

I severely doubt it's killing a film capacitor with over-voltage simply from inductor flyback, but unexpected open-circuit on the output could absolutely cause this kind of issue.

coulomb
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Re: 2011 - Dead Battery Charger

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:02 pm

JonoNZ wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:06 am
The location is definitely a film capacitor in the Leaf. Mine was melted and you could see the foil.
Interesting, thanks. I thought maybe the small capacitors when they exploded might have caused the film capacitor (which I thought at that point was the relay) to be damaged and melt as a consequence, but on further investigation it looks like this is the wrong side for those small capacitors (C121 and C122 across POA and NOA, Positive and Negative Outputs before the final DC filter in the iMiev charger).
2012 Leaf with new battery May 2019. New to me June 2019.

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