DaveinOlyWA
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sat May 01, 2021 7:49 pm

Marktm wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 6:19 pm
Just brought home my new 2021 SV Plus with tech. Probably has more than I wanted on it, but the dealer discounted $10,500 and (hopefully) will get the full $7500 tax credit - we'll see how that goes this year!

Traded in my 2012 to the same dealer that replaced the battery - probably lost $1000 on a private party deal, but did not want 3 cars around. Some questions:

- is the "e pedal" just high regen - does it have conventional braking at some point?
- should I expect similar mile/kWh as my old Leaf? Little heating required with steering and seat warmers - more A/C - that seemed amazingly efficient on my 2012. My overall GOM reading is 4.4 mi/kWh
- I guess I'll need to add a 50 amp circuit for the dual voltage charge controller - is a properly designed 40 amp OK?
- Anyone using a Open EVSE as charge controller? Mine stopped at 17 amps (240 VAC) - believe it should go to max of the OE, or max of the on-board charger? I'm thinking I'll need to re-install the "menu" button to determine if there is a max amp setting - if I can find it!
- It comes with Michellin tires - what is the max pressure that works well with these?

I'm sure I'll have additional questions and comments - only driven it a few miles, but seems very quiet, responsive and high quality.
E Pedal is both. 50% higher regen than B mode but also uses friction braking "mostly" at very low speeds or when SOC is very high and regen is weak.

I didn't see a difference in efficiency

If you want to spend the money...why not. I simply used my current EVSE as it was more than good enough

On tire pressure; that is a highly personal decision. Higher pressure will wear longer and get better efficiency at the loss of some traction. I tried recommended pressures twice; my 2016 and 2018 and both times I simply could not live with the feel of the car when negotiating the many roundabouts in my area so I pumped the tires back up and simply increased my following distance (not really as I don't follow closely in most cases because I want room to regen if needed)
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 19,653 mi, 93.47% SOH
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GerryAZ
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sat May 01, 2021 8:23 pm

I tested a 2021 SL Plus because my dealer called me and wanted me to come look. The accelerator mapping is definitely changed from 2019 to 2021 (not sure when). I noticed the 2021 was really sluggish compared to mine and mentioned it to the salesman. I stopped in a parking lot and went through all of the menus to see if there were any "adjustments" available, but found none. It got a little better after some aggressive driving (perhaps it learns driver characteristics like many modern ICE cars), but was still sluggish and I had to be careful because it naturally had the OEM Michelins. After having the Michelins on the 2015 and 2019, I will say that traction is marginal regardless of pressure so you might as well run them at 40 to 42 so that the handling is not too vague. The ceramic brake pads do take some time to break in. I shifted to neutral and used the brakes gently approaching stop lights for at least a thousand miles to get the pads seated.

You will really notice the different accelerator mapping going from a 2011 or 2012 to a 2021 because the 2011 and 2012 will give full acceleration by flooring the accelerator while even my 2015 and 2019 require feathering the accelerator to apply just enough pressure for full kW (and pressing the pedal farther as speed increases) instead of just flooring the pedal. Done correctly, my 2015 was as quick as my 2011, but it is not easy to be consistent. My 2019 is quicker than my previous cars because it has twice the horsepower, but it still benefits from careful feathering. The 2021 also benefitted from feathering, but was significantly slower than my 2019. The heat pump and dry heater are both more efficient than the hot water tank of the 2011 and 2012. I did not find significant difference in efficiency between the heat pumps in my 2015 and 2019 vs. the air conditioner in my 2011, but the dash efficiency display is more accurate (instead of greatly optimistic) so it may look like your efficiency is lower than the 2011 and 2012 models. The dual voltage Nissan EVSE needs a 14-50 receptacle with either 40 ampere or 50 ampere breaker and appropriate wiring. As a reminder, the Nissan EVSE will not work on 208 volt circuits, but works fine on either 240 or 120 volt (limited to 12 amperes at 120 volts).

Needless to say, I will keep my 2019 because I don't like the accelerator mapping of the 2021. Also, there are not enough incentives to make trading cost effective.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

LeftieBiker
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sat May 01, 2021 9:26 pm

I kind of wish that I had known about the 'de-tuning' before I leased another Leaf, as I might have considered either buying a late model one (like my SL!!) or trying to find a leftover 2019 or 2020* to lease. Ah, well, using D mode in all but heavy traffic should work ok. I'll be watching for a chip mod, though...

* Our 2020 feels quicker than the 2021, but I don't know if it's the greater HP compensating for the de-tuning, or if it has the previous accelerator mapping. I have time now to find out. I'm also wondering if my housemate, who loves slow cars like the Prius, will fall in love with the '21 and if we might end up unofficially swapping cars.
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GerryAZ
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sat May 01, 2021 9:32 pm

A tuning chip would be great. I wish I could get the consistent full on accelerator response of my 2011 with the higher horsepower and torque of the 2019, but the axle shafts and CV joints might pay the price! Enjoy your new car!
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

knightmb
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 5:37 am

Marktm wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 6:19 pm
- should I expect similar mile/kWh as my old Leaf? Little heating required with steering and seat warmers - more A/C - that seemed amazingly efficient on my 2012. My overall GOM reading is 4.4 mi/kWh
At lower speeds, less efficient because of the weight increase, at highway speeds, seem similar. CoD is the same on both generations from what I read.
- It comes with Michellin tires - what is the max pressure that works well with these?

I'm sure I'll have additional questions and comments - only driven it a few miles, but seems very quiet, responsive and high quality.
I started at 40, then 42, finally settled on 44 because the Gen 2 plus is quite heavier than the nimble Gen 1 that I was used to. I run Eco mode so my tires live longer, too tempting to play Stoplight Champion in regular mode. :lol:
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knightmb
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 5:52 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:24 pm
* They fixed the VPP again? Another question mark here, but I didn't notice the VPP sounds the way I do on the 2020, so they may actually have listened to the complaints about that. The car doesn't sound to me like a haunted submarine, the way the 2020 does.
Now I'm curious.... My 2020 sounds like something out of a Tron movie. What does the new VPS sound similar to? Does it still stay on up to 25 mph? Mine stays on, even when stopped. It stops if I put it in park.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 7:28 am

I didn't notice a sound, much as I don't notice a sound on the earlier cars.
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mjb750j
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 9:31 am

congrats on the new car. when you bring it in for it's checkup tell them about the differance in throttle response. they might be able to reset it to your liking

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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 10:41 am

Maybe, but I'd be surprised if they did.
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Flyct
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Re: First Impressions of '21 Leaf SV

Sun May 02, 2021 12:34 pm

knightmb wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 5:52 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:24 pm
* They fixed the VPP again? Another question mark here, but I didn't notice the VPP sounds the way I do on the 2020, so they may actually have listened to the complaints about that. The car doesn't sound to me like a haunted submarine, the way the 2020 does.
Now I'm curious.... My 2020 sounds like something out of a Tron movie. What does the new VPS sound similar to? Does it still stay on up to 25 mph? Mine stays on, even when stopped. It stops if I put it in park.
You can turn off the Forward motion VPS sound with LeafSpy Pro on a 2020.

It only will slightly make noise when in gear and stopped but once you start to roll the sound goes away.
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