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Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:45 am

This is in my view a good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf. It doesn't seem to have the bigger battery pack, but I like several things here including that the tester gives a point of view from the American Southwest, and that they do not pull punches in the end. Their conclusions are similar to mine nine years ago. My added comment is: goodness, Nissan is taking a long time to get to bring the Ariya to market.

"....Nissan should consider ending LEAF production if it can’t make a third generation of the vehicle that doesn’t have these problems. It needs to have liquid cooling, more than 200 miles of range for the bottom model (to make it to the next station consistently), and a CCS plug for the US market. Anything short of that is not only bad for the company, but bad for EV adoption in general.

"I’m financially stuck with the thing for now and will keep using it around town, but that doesn’t mean I’m happy with its limitations...."

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/04/23/ni ... re-update/
Nissan LEAF Still Not Suitable For US Road Trips, Even With #Rapidgate Software Update
By Jennifer Sensiba
Published 2 days ago
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http://www.pluginamerica.org/surveys/ba ... hp?vid=229
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:09 am

It might be hard-hitting for owners new to the Leaf, but those of us who have been driving it for nearly a decade, it seems to be more about poor planning on her part. Not because she is ignorant, but because she may not have access to the same information we have here and there is still a lot of mis-information about the Leaf floating around in Facebook, Twitter, etc.

I've driven trips twice & triple, the distance she was driving in a Gen 1 Leaf in the early days. I planned ahead and used some knowledge of physics to make the trip by not driving 70 MPH on cruise and following the speed limit if it was lower than 70 MPH (65, 60, etc.) I also had LeafSpy to avoid the distraction of the GOM and mileage. I could see exactly how much power was left, I knew where it would turtle mode, I knew where it would shutdown the vehicle and adjusted my driving style. I knew what the elevation difference was going to be. All of that planning worked and allowed me to make a non-stop drive from charger to charger. I didn't worry about the speed of other vehicles and even at lower speeds, I would still pass plenty of other people driving slower.

So while I thank her for the time to write out the details of the trip, I could have done her trip in her car without any of the stress she wrote about with better planning. Doing a successful trip with no hiccups is not as exciting I know.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:38 pm

I've read her articles since she bought the LEAF a couple of years ago. Even though she writes for Electrek, her POV is that of an enthusiastic EV adopter who has little technical knowledge. Since 99% of the USA populace would make her mistakes I accept her negative experiences as well intentioned albeit somewhat avoidable. And it's not like she tried to drive cross country in 110F heat while towing a boat. She tried to drive to the next town and back in the Spring knowing that she had access to L3 charging.

Missed mitigations aside, the LEAF is severely hobbled. I know it, and she is doing a service to the community by letting others know it too.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:41 pm

Instead of damning the car for a mistake that she made in choosing it, she should be telling people that the 40kwh Leaf is a great car for local use in moderate climates, but not for road trips or hotter climates. Demanding that all versions of the car have a 200+ mile range is essentially telling Nissan to do her thinking for her.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:47 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:41 pm
Instead of damning the car for a mistake that she made in choosing it, she should be telling people that the 40kwh Leaf is a great car for local use in moderate climates, but not for road trips or hotter climates.
I mostly share your opinion but I'm well aware that Nissan sold the car under false pretenses so I understand some of her projected dissatisfaction.

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Tangentially, 3 people were interested in buying my LEAF the other week. One I told not to bother checking out the car because it would not make the trip back to her home, and two others lost interest after learning from me that the battery relied on exterior case air cooling. Moreover, I can only think of ONE person among the LEAF owners I have talked to who was aware of the pack's limitations. The LEAF is a widely misunderstood car and Nissan shares a not small part of the blame.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:54 pm

I agree that Nissan salescreatures have misrepresented (and lied about) the Leaf. It is, however, never a good idea to do one's pre-car-buying research by talking to automotive salespeople. The car buying public needs to wake up to two facts: car dealerships are a form of government-tolerated organized crime, and buying a car should be as much a cerebral activity as a glandular one. This, I think, is why so many people prefer Consumer Reports and similar organizations: not because they are the best sources for all kinds of car-related data, but because they aren't paid shills for the auto industry - they are actually trying to inform you rather than to sell you a car.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:27 pm

I wasn't talking about car salespeople, but about Nissan itself
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:45 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:27 pm
I wasn't talking about car salespeople, but about Nissan itself
True enough, but AFAIK ALL of the big auto manufacturers are Evil Bastards. Possibly excepting the South Koreans, but that's mainly because I don't know enough about them.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:00 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:45 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:27 pm
I wasn't talking about car salespeople, but about Nissan itself
True enough, but AFAIK ALL of the big auto manufacturers are Evil Bastards.
Hard to argue with that although there is a very broad range of evil.
GM and VW are the worst scum possible
Tesla, Honda, Subaru and Toyota are usually pretty reasonable

I personally don't view Nissan as particularly evil, so much as professional assholes. By that I mean Nissan screws its customers as a matter of corporate policy, but they do not lie, cheat, or act inhumanely or act anti-socially. In the case of the LEAF they firmly straddled the line between false advertising and caveat emptor.
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Re: Good hard-hitting test and commentary on a 2018 Nissan Leaf

Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:24 pm

Toyota knows that the Gen III Prius is a time bomb, with the ICE becoming unreliable after about 6 years - sooner if driven a lot of miles. The emission control system allows oil to build up in the oil separator, and there is no sensor to warn when the pressure threatens to blow the head gasket. They have never acknowledged it, just as they haven't acknowledged that several of their motors over the years have had issues with sludge buildup and/or high oil consumption. They are the pinnacle of Japanese Corporate arrogance. My housemate used to love Toyota, and I respected them, but after years of a Camry that leaked raw gas from the vapor recovery system, followed by a Prius II that soaked its carpets with water, followed the a PIP that ran on three cylinders much of the time for the last two years we had it, she was finally convinced that EVs are the way to go. Ironically, she now drives a Leaf. For us, the Gen II Leaf is a very good car.
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