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Marktm
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Time to upgrade

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:49 pm

My 2012 Leaf has been a great "suburban" vehicle. Easily gets me around the neighborhood, in to town (Houston) and back and forth to work. Battery is down to about 51 amp-hrs, so has degraded, but still Ok for all EXCEPT a trip to a rural piece of property.
This property is little less than 100 miles away with half of it freeway driving (65 mph - all flat as a fritter). Plenty of charging time at the property, so only one way is necessary. Never need the heater, but will need A/C (minimal).

My preference is to trade my Leaf for another one that can consistently make the rural trip - and do it hopefully for 3-4 years before it degrades! I'd like to keep costs to a minimum, so the older body style is actually preferred - however the 30 kWh battery may be short on energy - especially if it degrades? I am not ready to lay out the big bucks for a brand new EV - too many options that appear to coming up in a couple of years.

BTW, range anxiety is not an issue for me - used to planning trips with the help of LeafSpy (knowing if I need to stop and do a minimal charge). I've actually made the trip - with a 4 hour stop at the local dealer half way - 3.3kW charger :mrgreen:

Any advice is appreciated.
2012 Leaf SL; 46,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:51 pm

Look for a used 40kwh Leaf coming off lease.
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PrairieLEAF
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Re: Time to upgrade

Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:11 pm

That trip sounds like a stretch for a 30 kWh LEAF.

I would suggest at least a 40 kWh, as Leftie mentioned. A preowned Chevy Bolt can also be a good value for something with more capacity (60 kWh).
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Re: Time to upgrade

Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:33 pm

Another option would be to install a 40 kWh battery in your existing Leaf. Since you seem low maintenance and don't mind the older body style and won't use heat, that could be a cheaper option.

The problem is finding a used 40 kWh battery pack and getting someone to install it and the muxsan can adapter. Depends on how much you want to roll your sleeves up.
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Marktm
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Re: Time to upgrade

Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:33 am

Lothsahn wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:33 pm
Another option would be to install a 40 kWh battery in your existing Leaf. Since you seem low maintenance and don't mind the older body style and won't use heat, that could be a cheaper option.

The problem is finding a used 40 kWh battery pack and getting someone to install it and the muxsan can adapter. Depends on how much you want to roll your sleeves up.
Would really like to try that, but really not equipped to do it safely. :( Maybe If a local shop was into this, I'd give it a try with them - especially if the CAN programming tools can unlock the CHAdeMO bidirectional protocols - anticipating the WallBox coming to the US!
2012 Leaf SL; 46,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:14 pm

It's hard to find a shop to help, they are terrified of the leaf battery when I tell them what it is. I describe it as a pickup or suv sized fuel tank full of wet sand and the 62kwh battery as a 44 gallon ford expedition fuel tank full of wet sand.
(It's really a lot heavier than that)
I guess most people think electric vehicle batteries are tiny like hybrid batteries that fit in the spare tire hole.
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Re: Time to upgrade

Fri May 01, 2020 8:05 am

Found a local 2016 SV loaded with what appears to be 11 bars asking around $11,000. I realize that I would need to do some charging along the way to make the ~100 miles, but spending an hour or two at a charging station should do it with the 6.6kW on-board charger (great upgrade from my current 2012!). I'd sort of like the challenge of making it using back country roads :lol:. I would sell my 2012 with it's 52 ahr battery.

So.... What would you guys (gals) consider good prices for both vehicles? Mine is in excellent condition with super nice 17" rims - I'd need to check out the 2016, but appears to be excellent also - and use my LeafSpy to confirm the battery condition. I would also (hopefully) determine if a replacement battery might be possible (hot South TX area). I know this works against making the ~100 mile trip, but I'm real flexible on making a charging stop - have several options on that.

Any recent actual pricing? THX!
2012 Leaf SL; 46,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Fri May 01, 2020 8:44 am

Prices vary a lot around the country. You can search the Denver and surrounding area CL's for an idea of what used Leaf's go for around here. Also keep in mind that the 2016 SV might be subject to the 'BMS firmware update'. Check to see if that has been done since it can make a big difference in how the battery reports its SOH and it must be done before Nissan will honor any battery warranty claims.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Sun May 03, 2020 3:01 pm

Marktm wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 8:05 am
Found a local 2016 SV loaded with what appears to be 11 bars asking around $11,000. I realize that I would need to do some charging along the way to make the ~100 miles, but spending an hour or two at a charging station should do it with the 6.6kW on-board charger (great upgrade from my current 2012!). I'd sort of like the challenge of making it using back country roads :lol:. I would sell my 2012 with it's 52 ahr battery.

So.... What would you guys (gals) consider good prices for both vehicles? Mine is in excellent condition with super nice 17" rims - I'd need to check out the 2016, but appears to be excellent also - and use my LeafSpy to confirm the battery condition. I would also (hopefully) determine if a replacement battery might be possible (hot South TX area). I know this works against making the ~100 mile trip, but I'm real flexible on making a charging stop - have several options on that.

Any recent actual pricing? THX!
Not a great deal. The 2016 is only worth 8-9k used these days. If you can stretch a little, a 62 kWh 2019 can be had from some dealers (Colorado Springs, notably) for just about $20k after all taxes and refunds/rebates (provided you have $7500 in taxes to write off).

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Re: Time to upgrade

Sun May 03, 2020 6:58 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:01 pm

Not a great deal. The 2016 is only worth 8-9k used these days. If you can stretch a little, a 62 kWh 2019 can be had from some dealers (Colorado Springs, notably) for just about $20k after all taxes and refunds/rebates (provided you have $7500 in taxes to write off).
I was concerned that the "Blue book" of the 2016 was somewhat overpriced - especially since the 30kW battery seems problematic. OTOH, If it appears I could get a battery replacement based on degradation, that could be a consideration IF, they put in a new battery (40kW?). The vehicle does appear to be very good condition and is an SV with CHAdeMO and heat pump - and low mileage ~26,000.

Also, I do have another reason for upgrading as I need the bi-directional capabilities of the CHAdeMO - that my 2012 lacks.

I might make a low ball offer - and if it's accepted, it was meant to be.
2012 Leaf SL; 46,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.

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