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Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:43 pm

so i'm definitely making the switch to EV and i really love the leaf. my options right now are a 2016. i can either get the s , or the sv for a little more and a little more money down. the s has 31k miles on it and the sv 34k. i'm mostly using this to commute back from work and school and local driving around town, but the range on the s makes me a little nervous about taking longer trips , so i'm wondering if it'd be worth it to spend the extra money on the sv? are the extra features plus battery worth it? i wanted to keep the cost down but i'm willing to add a little more. i live in Florida so i'm not sure if the batteries are any different with how fast they degrade between the two models with the heat or if the only difference is the kw. i'm also going to be relying on public charging. nice to meet you all and thank you :D

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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:57 pm

I suggest you read this now:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26662&p=538030


If you get a 24kwh S you do get the Lizard battery, but that has its limits tolerating heat also. Later 2016 S Leafs have the same 30kwh battery as the SV and SL. That battery is more likely to wilt...and also more likely to get a 40kwh warranty replacement battery. You have some choices to make, like low hassle vs possible new, free 40kwh battery in the future. The SV is definitely worth it in colder climates; in yours I suggest that you just think about whether you need remote access to the climate control.
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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:23 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:57 pm
I suggest you read this now:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26662&p=538030


If you get a 24kwh S you do get the Lizard battery, but that has its limits tolerating heat also. Later 2016 S Leafs have the same 30kwh battery as the SV and SL. That battery is more likely to wilt...and also more likely to get a 40kwh warranty replacement battery. You have some choices to make, like low hassle vs possible new, free 40kwh battery in the future. The SV is definitely worth it in colder climates; in yours I suggest that you just think about whether you need remote access to the climate control.
from what i've been reading isn't the 24 kwh only warrantied to 60 months and 60k miles while the 30 kwh is warrantied to 96 months and 100k miles?

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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:42 pm

Correct. Also a Lizard pack is unlikely to lose more than two bars within the warranty period, even in your climate. The 30kwh 'Lettuce pack' could easily lose 4, 5 or even 6 bars within 8 years. ;) You do have to have the Nissan Battery Management System "update" performed first, to be eligible for a new pack, and some 30kwh packs actually hold up well, so you can't count on a new battery anytime soon if you get a 30kwh Leaf.
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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:48 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:42 pm
Correct. Also a Lizard pack is unlikely to lose more than two bars within the warranty period, even in your climate. The 30kwh 'Lettuce pack' could easily lose 4, 5 or even 6 bars within 8 years. ;) You do have to have the Nissan Battery Management System "update" performed first, to be eligible for a new pack, and some 30kwh packs actually hold up well, so you can't count on a new battery anytime soon if you get a 30kwh Leaf.
so its starting to sound like the 30kwh might be a better option? especially with the extra range. do you think the odds of getting a replacement battery within than 100k miles are pretty good with the 30kwh? also, i'm getting this car from carmax. how would i go about getting an update if i did get that. just take it to a nissan dealership?

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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:52 pm

The odds of getting a replacement battery sometime during the warranty period for a 30kwh battery are very good in Florida - just not 100%. You get more range even if you don't get a new battery. The only real tradeoff is the extra hassle involved in the battery warranty process. For the time being, the best buy is a 30kwh pack with 9 capacity bars, or one with 12, several months after the BMS update. You should be able to get the update from any Leaf-certified Nissan dealership, and most of those (but not all) can also handle a pack replacement.
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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:56 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:52 pm
The odds of getting a replacement battery sometime during the warranty period for a 30kwh battery are very good in Florida - just not 100%. You get more range even if you don't get a new battery. The only real tradeoff is the extra hassle involved in the battery warranty process. For the time being, the best buy is a 30kwh pack with 9 capacity bars, or one with 12, several months after the BMS update. You should be able to get the update from any Leaf-certified Nissan dealership, and most of those (but not all) can also handle a pack replacement.
hmm i think i'm definitely going for the 30kwh. thank you for your help :D

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Re: Help - Can't decide which leaf to buy

Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:23 pm

You're welcome. I may be looking for a 30kwh SV this year, for my housemate, for the same reason.
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2017 Leaf s or 2016 leaf sv?

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:39 am

Hey guys, so a little while back I was deciding between the 24kwh leaf and the 30. I ended up going with the 30. My options right now are a 2016 SV with 34k miles or a 2017 s with 36k. I don't think I'll run either to 100k within the 8 year battery warranty. The 2017 s has a quick charge port. I'm not sure if that's standard though. I'm just wondering if you guys think losing whatever extra features on the 2016 sv to get the 2017 and an extra year of warranty coverage would be worth it? Does the 2017 even have the same battery issues the 2016 did? Thanks guys.

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Re: 2017 Leaf s or 2016 leaf sv?

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:14 am

I see no reason to continue this discussion in a separate topic. I'm going to merge this into your first one in a little while.

The extra year of warranty vs more features is your decision. I'd think twice about a 2016 with an early month build date, say before March of 2016. My own preference is for the SV, but if you have no preference don't take that as advice.
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