GaleHawkins
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:05 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:04 am
theblueleaf wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:10 pm
I drive a 2011 Leaf and my battery is at 8 bars. In the winter, I can barely get 20-25 miles on a charge (with the heater off!). This is extremely welcome news.

I called my local Nissan dealer. They don't have an EV technician, but hope to train someone on it within the next year. I could wait, but I've waited long enough.

I then called my next closest Nissan dealer. They don't service EV vehicles and have no plans to do so.

My next call was to one that is far enough away that it would take 2-3 charges to get there. A long trip, but okay if it's just once. They said that they can quote me $650 for the labor, but they have no idea what the cost of the battery would be and they don't know how to even find out. The man I spoke with told me not to believe what I read on the Internet and that even he, a Nissan employee, wouldn't be able to get a price for a battery out of corporate.

There are now multiple reports of this new price (thanks, OP, for this thread!), so I was confident that this guy was wrong about corporate not giving out prices. Nevertheless, there is no substitute for first-hand experience, so I called and can confirm that they are telling people it is $5,499 minus a $1,000 credit for trading in your original battery, plus labor, taxes, etc. Didn't even have to coax that info out like I expected; they were happy to share it and did so right away. The national hotline rep was extremely nice and knowledgeable. He noted that the first step for getting a new battery is to take your car in for a battery test, which I plan to do asap (hoping the local dealer can do the test even if they can't do EV repairs). It takes a minimum of 4-6 weeks for a new battery to be delivered to a dealer after that.

I know that $5,500 is more than the value of my car at this point, but I am willing to pay it. I'll walk away with a car that I know is in good condition and with a brand new battery. No matter what the blue book value is, I know that's worth the investment. I expect to get 8-10 years out of this battery (it better last at least as long as the previous one considering it will be a lizard battery), and that's a reasonable cost for that length of time. At the $8,500 price it was a no, but this price seems much more reasonable. Not great, but reasonable.
blueleaf,

I'd caution against spending $5,500 on a "new" 24 kWh pack (for a cost of $230/kWh, while other manufacturers' packs are being sold today for barely $100/kWh). The newer pack chemistry (post 2012) degrades about half as fast per year as the original chemistry, but it still degrades, and after 7-8 years you're likely to have <60% capacity once more. By that time, batteries are likely have become substantially cheaper and more durable, and more advanced charging technology may be ported to older vehicles. Don't rush into giving Nissan the full price unless you're sure it's worth it.
blueleaf Nissan batteries are not cheap. The 30 kWh packs used in 2016 and 2017 have been discontinued so one has to go with the 40 kWh pack that list for $12,495.00 so that is over $312 per kWh but one would have to be over 100K miles to not be covered by Nissan.

Yes it would be a gamble for a first Gen Leaf but if one wants an EV with a new battery it might be the way several would go?

solartim
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:23 am

I was on the fence, but the morning after making an appointment for a quote we received a P33D4 Internal Resistance error code, six months out of warranty on our 2011 with 72 K miles. Mossy came back with $6300 out the door (taxes and labor) so we're going to roll the dice and hope no big expensive repairs come up. Had to argue about the core charge rebate, but they finally agreed. Warranty says 8 years / 100 K for defects, 5 years / 60 K for degradation under 9 bars.

Kicking myself for not getting more Leafspy data before bringing it to the shop. Battery on the invoice listed as 003N/295B0-9RB9D

coleafrado
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:30 am

solartim wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:23 am
I was on the fence, but the morning after making an appointment for a quote we received a P33D4 Internal Resistance error code, six months out of warranty on our 2011 with 72 K miles. Mossy came back with $6300 out the door (taxes and labor) so we're going to roll the dice and hope no big expensive repairs come up. Had to argue about the core charge rebate, but they finally agreed. Warranty says 8 years / 100 K for defects, 5 years / 60 K for degradation under 9 bars.

Kicking myself for not getting more Leafspy data before bringing it to the shop. Battery on the invoice listed as 003N/295B0-9RB9D
So they're only giving you a 24 kWh pack? Thought they were discontinued in favor of 30 kWh.

goldbrick
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:28 pm

My understanding is the it is the 30kWh packs that have been discontinued. 24kWh are still replaced with same but 30kWh warranty replacements are getting 40kWh packs.

alozzy
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:20 pm

Very interesting! The trick then is to find a 2016 SV/SL with a 30 kWh pack, that's about to drop to 8 bars, and get a 40 kWh replacement under warranty.
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:50 pm

alozzy wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:20 pm
Very interesting! The trick then is to find a 2016 SV/SL with a 30 kWh pack, that's about to drop to 8 bars, and get a 40 kWh replacement under warranty.
Or a 2017 S/SV/SL. Keep in mind 2016 trim S built the last 2 months of that model year got the 30 kWh battery as well per some posts. Say you find one with down to 9 or in some cases 8 bars already for $13K-$16K with 25K miles you will have say a 2016 Leaf Chassis and the battery like is shipping a a new 2020 Leaf. There are steps to go through and not all Leaf dealerships are eager to take on the task for the first time. I just was too tied up last Thanksgiving to address getting my replacement started until two days before 2020 and I still have not heard directly from the dealership about the status of my claim. Because they had never had a Leaf in the shop since they got a new Leaf diagnostic I did tell them to use my car to get themselves trained on the new computer system. When I took it in I did not know about the 30 to 40 swap out.

coleafrado
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:02 pm

I can think of a few ways to "undetectably" "degrade" a 30 kWh pack down below 8 bars in a matter of months or weeks. ;)

GaleHawkins
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:55 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:02 pm
I can think of a few ways to "undetectably" "degrade" a 30 kWh pack down below 8 bars in a matter of months or weeks. ;)
Our 30 kWh did not need any help because in 6 weeks/2500 miles after we bought it we lost the 4th bar just by driving it. We did have to charge it every day because it range was only 60 miles and we use it on two 30 mile trips (morning/afternoon). Hopefully the 40 kWh replacement battery will be stable and last a long long time and not have the known issues of the 30 kWh battery pack.

theblueleaf
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:38 pm

For anyone interested in the actual total costs involved...

I was quoted $4,500 for the battery (after $1,000 mandatory trade-in credit for the original battery), plus a little over $1,100 for labor. There's also the obligatory state sales tax. I'll be walking away with a new battery (and new warranty on it) fully installed for under $6,000 after all costs are factored in. Considering I hope to get another 8-10 years usage (or more since this one should have better chemistry than my 2011 original), I'm satisfied with that.

I probably could wait it out for another year to see what third-party/salvage options open up, but I'd rather just get it done and not worry about it. Since Nissan is no longer selling new Leafs with batteries under 40kWh, I wonder how long they'll continue to have 24kWh batteries in stock.

Boxman
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:04 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:28 pm
My understanding is the it is the 30kWh packs that have been discontinued. 24kWh are still replaced with same but 30kWh warranty replacements are getting 40kWh packs.
Really? The 40kWh pack actually fits?

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