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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:48 am

Thanks. Pricey!
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:48 am
Thanks. Pricey!
And that is a ( erikoishinta ) special price. Maybe that is how they got $30,000 AU++ quotes in Australia for 24 kWh replacements.

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:35 am

brunohill wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:48 am
Thanks. Pricey!
And that is a ( erikoishinta ) special price. Maybe that is how they got $30,000 AU++ quotes in Australia for 24 kWh replacements.
That really shows that Nissan is giving up on supporting the hundreds of thousands of Leafs around the world. That means that Europeans buy the Leaf but are not aware that they will be forced to junk the car when the battery degrades?

Man, when I bought my Leaf I was so happy that the car industry had progressed past the philosophy of the original EV1. In the 1990s, GM gave us a taste of the electric car and killed it. Now, looking at those battery replacement prices, Nissan is ready to erase all the Leafs in Europe in the future.... Am I seeing this correctly???

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:37 am

These prices don't mean much. During a warranty replacement you don't pay anything, and the dealership simply gets the battery shipped to their door. But, I put some thoughs into this and made a post about it in my buildthread http://www.japtoys.net/forum/viewtopic. ... =75#p71564

"The 30kWh LEAF, sold between 2016 to 2018 have some controversy going on with the warranty replacements. Normally, a LEAF has warranty for capacity loss overtime, this means if it looses more than 30% capacity before the warranty runs out, Nissan replaces the battery with a new one. Early adapters / owners have longed for Nissan to replace the aging 24kWh packs with some larger ones when doing warranty, but Nissan has stood firm on only replacing 24kWh packs with newer 24kWh packs. But, the 30kWh LEAF is different! Nissan has been silently using 40kWh packs when they are doing warranty work on 30kWh LEAFs, and I kinda understand why.

24kWh - 17666€ 0%VAT
30kWh - 22730€ 0%VAT
40kWh - 20871€ 0%VAT
62kWh - 28897€ 0%VAT

First of all, the prices are silly high, and Nissan won't let you buy a battery. These are only for warranty work. Note that the 40kWh pack is cheaper to get compared to the 30kWh pack. So there is a pure profit in using 40kWh packs instead of 30kWh ones. Also, Nissan still makes 40/62 packs, the 30 size was only used for a brief period, so it makes sense to streamline the production. But here is the real question, why not allow the same warranty upgrade for old 2011-2016 24kWh Leafs?

Speculation time:
- Upgrading the 24kWh Leaf to 40kWh makes the car so much more usable, that it would hurt newer sales. Can't have people using older cars for too long! Upgrading a 30kWh->40kWh doesn't hurt the sales as much.
- It is hard to upgrade the oldest Leaf. This I noticed myself too, the communication between the LBC->VCM is really different on the 2011-2013 ZE0 Leaf. If you drop in a 40kWh pack into a 2014+ AZE0 Leaf, the communication is mostly the same, and Nissan can get away with doing a minor firmware update. But if they try to do the same on the oldest ZE0, the pack wont even be recognized properly, and ALL the modules on the CAN-bus in the car would need a firmware update to cooperate. Nothing impossible (since we hobbyists are doing it right now!), but hard to do it officially.

I don't like Nissans strategy, since it promotes a throw away culture. End of rambling "

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:03 am

Boxman wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:40 pm
johnlocke wrote:
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Boxman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:04 pm


Really? The 40kWh pack actually fits?
The 40 KWH bolts directly in, A quick spin through the Diagnostic Computer to match up the SN's and you are good to go. A 62 KWH fits with some modifications to the mounts as well. So much for Nissan telling us it couldn't be done.
So buy a used 2016 or 2017 30kWh Leaf with a bunch of miles on it, then bring to Nissan dealer and they’ll install a new 40kWh battery for $5500?
24 kwh packs are actually $4500. 40 kwh packs are SIGNIFICANTLY more and most importantly NOT for sale. Only used for warranty exchanges at this time and yeah that includes 30 kwh LEAFs
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 am

Dala wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:20 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
What are the amounts in dollars or Euros? Or is that Euros shown?
That is Euro with 0%VAT
Quick conversion to USD also without any VAT
24kWh - 19430 $
30kWh - 25000 $
40kWh - 22956 $
62kWh - 31783 $
This is great info...but I just can't believe these prices? We already know the 24kWh "street" price is ~$5k, and I saw posted somewhere (on this forum) that a 40kWh pack could be bought (from Nissan) for ~11k...so something doesn't add up. I mean, these prices are more than half the cost of the whole car!!
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:24 am

Stanton wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 am
That is Euro with 0%VAT
Quick conversion to USD also without any VAT
24kWh - 19430 $
30kWh - 25000 $
40kWh - 22956 $
62kWh - 31783 $
This is great info...but I just can't believe these prices? We already know the 24kWh "street" price is ~$5k, and I saw posted somewhere (on this forum) that a 40kWh pack could be bought (from Nissan) for ~11k...so something doesn't add up. I mean, these prices are more than half the cost of the whole car!!
These prices are wack due to no person paying them. You cant buy these packs, this is simply what Nissan logs internally when they do replacement warranty work. The "street" price is ~$5k due to Nissan taking a loss and putting a sane sticker price for customers. So at least they are doing something right.

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:59 pm

Dala wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:24 am
Stanton wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 am
That is Euro with 0%VAT
Quick conversion to USD also without any VAT
24kWh - 19430 $
30kWh - 25000 $
40kWh - 22956 $
62kWh - 31783 $
This is great info...but I just can't believe these prices? We already know the 24kWh "street" price is ~$5k, and I saw posted somewhere (on this forum) that a 40kWh pack could be bought (from Nissan) for ~11k...so something doesn't add up. I mean, these prices are more than half the cost of the whole car!!
These prices are wack due to no person paying them. You cant buy these packs, this is simply what Nissan logs internally when they do replacement warranty work. The "street" price is ~$5k due to Nissan taking a loss and putting a sane sticker price for customers. So at least they are doing something right.
Aren't these prices also in Europe where everything(including new Leafs) are quite a bit higher? Not that would explain it all but some of it....
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 pm

We just had battery replaced in a 2012 Leaf:

Total Labor: $690
Total Parts: $4777
Misc Charges: $30
Total Tax: $363

TOTAL: $5860

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:45 pm

eaf wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 pm
We just had battery replaced in a 2012 Leaf:

Total Labor: $690
Total Parts: $4777
Misc Charges: $30
Total Tax: $363

TOTAL: $5860
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