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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:52 pm

https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPo ... 6702077438 is a recent update.
Fenix Power / Fenix Power We've had to delay our planned battery solution reveal due to delays in delivering our capital from our investors. It is this delay that motivated us to arrange this interim Nissan pack swap solution, and launching our installs as affordable subscriptions.
Also, the delay has delayed our Patent filing for several design and method innovations. Our thermal management is both simple and novel, and the management system leapfrogs anything you'll find in other EV BMSs. Plus, we're very proud of the physical design. Auto makers have access to billions for development, if we reveal too much too soon before protections are in place, they have the ability to crush us, which would be horrible for past-warranty EV owners. OEMs have no interest in helping our customers, but we very much are passionate about keeping good cars on the road for decades. All of this means we follow a cautious plan.
There's a reason no one saw the iPhone before Jobs announced it, or look at the Cybertruck, complete darkness until it was a fully functional product.
We'll get there, and it will absolutely be worth the wait.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:08 pm

These things they barely mention.
Is there any further description of them?
Such as their simple thermal management solution?
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:45 pm

^^^
Not that I know of but I'm not following closely as I don't care much. Seems like hyperbole to me.

I find it rather unlikely that given their lack of concrete status of something working that they could have some sort of working, safe, reliable battery thermal management that also lets them stay within reasonable cost which leapfrogs that of established automakers. Those established automakers have lots of skilled engineers and lots of resources to simulate, measure and validate their designs besides being able be teardown and benchmark the TMS of competitors.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:09 pm

Fenix seems long on sizzle and short on steak. I'd like them to succeed even if I probably won't buy their product. Anything that improves the useful life of a Leaf would be a good thing. With Nissan asking $12K for a 40KWH battery, there's room for a lower cost solution. Leasing a battery might make sense if you can find a cheap Leaf to put it into.

Unfortunately, they appear under-capitalized and without a production line and maybe even a product. They haven't even showed a mockup. Everything is Hush-Hush and we'll show you later. They are losing the time to market race and risk being obsolescent before they hit the market.

Their thermal management solution might be as simple as a flooded pack with a radiator and a small pump or perhaps heat pipes to a heat exchanger. A new approach needn't be complicated or expensive to be workable.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:26 am

I wasn't aware that they were also promising a thermal management part of battery replacements..

Man, when Nissan after 10 years of production did not add some cooling to the battery, how can anyone expect that a company will include that into their version of a replacement battery. They can't even make a regular battery swap, period.

This is all pie in the sky.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:39 am

There's a new entry at https://fenix.systems/category/news/fenix-news from 3/7/2020, but still nothing substantive.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:22 am

Do they think that anyone is believing this? This was a lot of interesting reading..... But No batteries in cars...

"In the next week"..... Yeah right.. They continue to ask for money, and take "surveys of what their customers want".... SPare me.

This is like Eli Wallach in the movie, "The Good, the Bad , and the Ugly".... "If you are going to Shoot.... Shoot! No Talk!!!""....
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:30 am

Options are starting to appear all over the place and I am expecting that to continue at a higher pace.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:50 pm

powersurge wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:22 am
Do they think that anyone is believing this? This was a lot of interesting reading..... But No batteries in cars...
Maybe they can help me with my Faraday Future some day.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:25 pm

Nothing new at https://fenix.systems/blog other than, more changes/updates are coming.

I wonder where any of this work will be happening. Some strong EV markets are on lock down due to COVID-19 but at least for my county and the Bay Area, auto shops are considered "essential businesses" so they can continue to operate.

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