Stoaty
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:16 pm

OK, I am convinced. Thanks. Nissan better have a damn good capacity warranty if they want to get my business again.
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Evoforce
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:21 pm

Stoaty wrote:
OK, I am convinced. Thanks. Nissan better have a damn good capacity warranty if they want to get my business again.
I just had a 24kWh battery replaced under warranty. Guess what the warranty is on the (replacement).... 12 months/12,000 miles. Now on my other car, a new traction battery was installed 13 months ago and would be out of warranty except that it is still under the original 5yr/60,000mi warranty period until the end of this summer.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
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*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:28 pm

Evoforce wrote: I just had a 24kWh battery replaced under warranty. Guess what the warranty is on the (replacement).... 12 months/12,000 miles. Now on my other car, a new traction battery was installed 13 months ago and would be out of warranty except that it is still under the original 5yr/60,000mi warranty period until the end of this summer.
Well, on the upside someone who pays for a new battery out of pocket can consider it a $6000 lottery ticket for a new pack down the road :)
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-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:49 pm

I just had a 24kWh battery replaced under warranty. Guess what the warranty is on the (replacement).... 12 months/12,000 miles. Now on my other car, a new traction battery was installed 13 months ago and would be out of warranty except that it is still under the original 5yr/60,000mi warranty period until the end of this summer.[/quote]

This is industry standard for any replacement part. 12/12 OR your original warranty, which ever is greater.
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:54 pm

Stoaty wrote:
OK, I am convinced. Thanks. Nissan better have a damn good capacity warranty if they want to get my business again.
I'm hoping it's not finalized yet and they at least go with forced air TM like the eNV200. 60 kWh and possibly 100 kW QCs seems to require it, but I'm not an electrical engineer, and they seem to think they know what they're doing, so I guess time will tell. I'll do at least one more lease cycle to hedge my bets. Unless I go for a Model 3. Can't wait for the reveal.

But, back to the topic, my '15's pack, at 17k, shows the same readings as when it was new.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Evoforce
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:20 pm

Valdemar wrote:
Evoforce wrote: I just had a 24kWh battery replaced under warranty. Guess what the warranty is on the (replacement).... 12 months/12,000 miles. Now on my other car, a new traction battery was installed 13 months ago and would be out of warranty except that it is still under the original 5yr/60,000mi warranty period until the end of this summer.
Well, on the upside someone who pays for a new battery out of pocket can consider it a $6000 lottery ticket for a new pack down the road :)
That would be the one benefit for having to purchase one is that it would (I assume) have the 5 yr/60,000 warranty.
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TimLee
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:54 pm

Why would anyone believe anything in greencarreports when they make the following incompetent statement:

"Nissan made the original Leaf battery pack completely air-cooled, and while there were some early, isolated issues in very hot climates like Arizona, those seem to be largely solved today. "

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Evoforce
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:03 pm

TimLee wrote:Why would anyone believe anything in greencarreports when they make the following incompetent statement:

"Nissan made the original Leaf battery pack completely air-cooled, and while there were some early, isolated issues in very hot climates like Arizona, those seem to be largely solved today. "
Yea, I read that too and I thought... Someone absolutely got some misinformation on that one or they were wishful thinking. who told them that fib?
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:51 pm

mwalsh wrote: 12/30/15: AHr=63.80 CAP=97.26%* Hlth=100.00% Hx=100.00% Gids=277. Mileage: 56,588. New Pack.
*97.26% cap should mean 100% cap would have been 65.60AHr
1/24/16: AHr=63.53 CAP=96.85% Hlth=95.57% Hx=95.57% Gids=278. Mileage: 56,886
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:16 am

GRA wrote:
Stoaty wrote:
GRA wrote:Nissan has said on numerous occasions that they weren't going to use TMS. OTOH, the e-NV200 will apparently have some cooling for QC: http://insideevs.com/heres-nissan-emplo ... tery-pack/
I don't see anything about Leaf 2.0 not using a TMS. The lack of a TMS isn't working out very well for the Lizard battery based on reports here. Until information is released on Leaf 2.0, we don't know what Nissan will do. The rest is speculation.
Informed speculation - Nissan has been pretty adamant that they weren't going to use a TMS. It would be a 180 for them to say now that they've decided to use one (even though they almost certainly need it).
To play devil's advocate here, it wouldn't make sense for Nissan to announce they are going to use it in the Leaf 2. There are many Leaf buyers who aren't aware of the hot-weather issues. Announcing a TMS could undermine confidence in their current product (i.e., if they decided they need this afterall, what am I getting into with buying a 2016 without TMS?).

IMHO, it would make the most business sense for Nissan to slip a TMS into the Leaf 2 as quietly as possible. That includes not really advertising it in 2017 when the car is (presumably) in dealers' lots.

I'm not saying that I think this is what is happening, only that it is one possibility.

I'm curious to see what they do for Leaf 2.0, but frankly it's not a deal breaker for me either way. My leaf is holding up OKish after almost 4 years (single bar lost). It's right about on track to be at 80% after 5 years, which is frankly better than I had expected in 2012.
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