DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat May 07, 2016 5:15 am

ahagge wrote:
ahagge wrote:Since the latest posts have been about 2011 Lizard Pack retrofits (and since I live literally blocks from TomT), I'll update my previous post. I have a 2011 SL-e with a Lizard Pack (-E variant), installed in April and surviving one San Fernando Valley summer thus far:

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BTW, here's the actual numbers (about 10,000 miles of driving):
  • GIDs went from 278 to 259
  • AHr went from 66.14 to 59.749
  • SOH went from 100% to 93%
  • Hx went from a high of 102.30 (about a week after the new battery was installed) to 89.47
So as you can see, this new Lizard battery has suffered a 10% capacity (AHr) loss in about 8 months. What's interesting is that as Tom said, the capacity drop is continuing even though colder weather is setting in. I'm not a happy camper... :x

Update: Updated graph showing correct SOH values
As I've now had my battery for just over a year, so here's another update:

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Comments:
With the colder weather of winter and spring, the battery has been holding pretty steady. I'm currently at about 258-260 GIDs, 60.25 AHr, 94% SOH and 90.4 Hx. We'll see what happens during the next 6 months...
check my post above. these lower readings very well could be more a result of your driving habit than the real condition of the battery.

my stats were lower than yours but a change in driving habits (extreme change I do admit) changed that.

Keep in mind; I only believe about half the change as there is an obvious increase in range, slight though it may be and the battery will drop back down to normal in a day or two when the extreme driving stops.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 19,653 mi, 93.47% SOH
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Valdemar
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Mon May 09, 2016 4:34 pm

Did 475 miles from Friday to Sunday night with multiple quick charges, 2-3 per day. Hx jumped from 102 to 108. Ahr hasn't changed since the battery was installed end of March. Haven't quick-charged since the replacement until this time. Just sharing my observation.

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'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat May 14, 2016 7:41 am

Is there a Lizard Pack that has dropped the 1st bar? When do we estimate the first Lizard Pack got installed?
1st bar- 22K, 27mo, Ah=55.29
2nd- 33K, 37mo, Ah=51.54
3rd- 41K, 46mo, Ah=47.47
4th- 49K, 53mo, Ah=43.28
Warranty Lizard- 50K, Oct'15
1st bar- 34K, 44mo, Ah=55.25, Jun'19

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat May 14, 2016 9:17 am

Over 15 months and 21,000 miles on 2015 in Phoenix and still have all 12 capacity bars--significantly better than either original or replacement battery in 2011.

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat May 14, 2016 11:02 am

I can't get AHr = 66.14 out of my head. That's what I've been "stuck" on (not complaining) since I got my new battery pack, and it seems to me that might be the "max" number a 2011/2012 Leaf is able to read from the BMS.
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sat May 14, 2016 1:15 pm

66.14 here too.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sun May 15, 2016 2:37 pm

opencar wrote:Is there a Lizard Pack that has dropped the 1st bar? When do we estimate the first Lizard Pack got installed?
I haven't heard of one losing a bar yet. I think the first packs could have been "officially" installed as early as 4/14. My 2015 Leaf has a MFG date of 4/14 and has the lizard battery installed. I think they started selling 2015 cars in 7/14 or so. There are cars out there that have lizards and 2 years of life on the pack (like mine) and I'm nowhere close to losing a bar. I'd be willing to bet that I get to close to 50K miles or so before that happens.
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sun May 15, 2016 3:10 pm

tkdbrusco wrote:
opencar wrote:Is there a Lizard Pack that has dropped the 1st bar? When do we estimate the first Lizard Pack got installed?
I haven't heard of one losing a bar yet. I think the first packs could have been "officially" installed as early as 4/14. My 2015 Leaf has a MFG date of 4/14 and has the lizard battery installed. I think they started selling 2015 cars in 7/14 or so. There are cars out there that have lizards and 2 years of life on the pack (like mine) and I'm nowhere close to losing a bar. I'd be willing to bet that I get to close to 50K miles or so before that happens.
FWIW, I think it's too early to tell on 2015 model year cars. Heck, I didn't notice any 2014 model year Leafs losing a bar or more at http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... acity_Loss.

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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sun May 15, 2016 3:16 pm

I'm looking at a used 14 with a build date of January 2014. Are we fairly confident that would not have a lizard pack?
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Sun May 15, 2016 6:53 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:I'm looking at a used 14 with a build date of January 2014. Are we fairly confident that would not have a lizard pack?
Not a lizard unless it had a replacement pack put in after initial build.

Lizard packs annouced here http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=17168 on Jun 27, 2014 meaning you'd have to have a July 2014 build date to have any reasonable hope of getting one.

You might hope for an outlier if you got a tail end 2014 Model made right at the end of the 2014 MY run but the odds are they put out 2014s with the leftover 2013 packs and started the 2015 MY with the lizard pack when it came out.

Besides the "lizard pack" is only barely better than a 2013 pack which is only barely better than a 2012 pack. It really isn't worth much of any difference in money to me.

The 30 kWh pack is a different story. We can measure it's worth easily.
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