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Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:12 am
by TomT
I will be voting with my feet and moving to a different company - most likely Tesla - when my lease is up. My main reason, though, is that I will never again own an EV without TMS unless it has the new, magic, miracle battery!
mwalsh wrote:They aren't going to change (or if they do it will be very slowly). So the answer for many of us will be to break-up with Nissan and try to find a car company that will love us the way we deserve to be loved. Others will be happy just being F buddies, knowing that Nissan will get up and leave in the middle of the night and not call the next day. And a third subset will be mostly unhappy, but stay for the sake of the children. :D

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:20 am
by RonDawg
mwalsh wrote:Others will be happy just being F buddies
The polite term is "friends with benefits." :lol:

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:24 am
by RegGuheert
RonDawg wrote:I thought it was a software/firmware upgrade that led to the problems that led to the lawsuit. Or are you talking about a revision that made the first problem even worse?
I think you are right, it was one of the claims in the lawsuit. Still, I think Honda's reprogramming was a response to the pressure they were getting and then the lawyers tacked that on once the reprogram turned out to be bad. I could be wrong on that point, though.
TomT wrote:They are custom lithium cells and capacity was specifically not covered in the original warranty. And no, sitting around for a few days will not give an error.
Not in our HCH. It uses NiMH D cells and sitting for a few days will now give an EV error (with 90,000 miles).

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:29 am
by TomT
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the Leaf...
RegGuheert wrote:
TomT wrote:They are custom lithium cells and capacity was specifically not covered in the original warranty. And no, sitting around for a few days will not give an error.
Not in our HCH. It uses NiMH D cells and sitting for a few days will now give an EV error (with 90,000 miles).

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:35 am
by GregH
atlleaf wrote:Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Class Action
Nissan LEAF owners sued the automaker in September 2012, alleging that Nissan failed to disclose in its advertising that owners should avoid charging the battery beyond 80 percent in order to mitigate battery damage. Nissan also failed to disclose that the LEAF’s estimated 100-mile driving range was based on a fully charged battery – which directly contradicts Nissan’s own recommendation for an 80-percent max battery charge.
Did the class action really focus on full vs 80% charging?!?! Doesn't seem to me like it makes much difference if you charge to full vs 80% although I guess leaving it for extended periods at full is a tad worse than 80%. I would have thought the class action would have been based on temperature and filed by those in warmer climates who are seeing the dramatic capacity loss. And even more so by the large number of folks in "moderate" climates like California who are seeing more capacity loss than they expected.

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:39 am
by thankyouOB
GregH wrote:
atlleaf wrote:Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Class Action
Nissan LEAF owners sued the automaker in September 2012, alleging that Nissan failed to disclose in its advertising that owners should avoid charging the battery beyond 80 percent in order to mitigate battery damage. Nissan also failed to disclose that the LEAF’s estimated 100-mile driving range was based on a fully charged battery – which directly contradicts Nissan’s own recommendation for an 80-percent max battery charge.
Did the class action really focus on full vs 80% charging?!?! Doesn't seem to me like it makes much difference if you charge to full vs 80% although I guess leaving it for extended periods at full is a tad worse than 80%. I would have thought the class action would have been based on temperature and filed by those in warmer climates who are seeing the dramatic capacity loss. And even more so by the large number of folks in "moderate" climates like California who are seeing more capacity loss than they expected.
it is a nissan press release.
what do the lawyers on the other side say in their announcement?
perhaps, the nissan release is an "agreed upon" one or perhaps there is no agreed upon release, even if there is a non-disclosure clause in the settlement,
all depends.

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:43 am
by mikeEmike
z0ner wrote:Wow. Just when I thought Nissan couldn't sink any lower... The whole "we'll extend the battery warranty out of the goodness of our heart", a complete and utter sham.

My lease terminates next April. I'll be saving a few extra duckets to get the RAV4 EV. Similar companies like Toyota and Honda know how to foster good relationships with their customers - hence their success. May Nissan choke on my 2/3rd's capacity paperweight.
Just a word of warning: The RAV4EV has its own set of problems, and it doesn't appear to me that Toyota is trying to foster a good relationship with existing or potential RAV4EV owners. I was actually looking to buy a RAV4EV as a second EV but after seeing how current owners are being treated by Toyota, I'm holding off. It's a shame because I'm interested in a second EV, and the RAV4EV fits the bill, but Toyota has about as much interest in EVs as Tesla does in ICEs.

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:46 am
by adric22
I'm at a loss to see how this "new warranty" is any different from the "new warranty" that was disclosed a few months ago.

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:47 am
by TomT
Agreed. Toyota just wants to sell their 2,600 and change worth of CARB scam RAV4EVs and then never hear about an EV again!
mikeEmike wrote:Just a word of warning: The RAV4EV has its own set of problems, and it doesn't appear to me that Toyota is trying to foster a good relationship with existing or potential RAV4EV owners. I was actually looking to buy a RAV4EV as a second EV but after seeing how current owners are being treated by Toyota, I'm holding off. It's a shame because I'm interested in a second EV, and the RAV4EV fits the bill, but Toyota has about as much interest in EVs as Tesla does in ICEs.

Re: Nissan Reaches Settlement in Defective LEAF Battery Clas

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:49 am
by thankyouOB
Valdemar wrote:I'm hoping for a lawsuit that will force Nissan to disclose battery replacement cost and offer it for sale not lease.
+10